NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER
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I believe Thor is town."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Yeah."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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That was my answer to your question. Thor is town. He be town, because he ain't scum."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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the case is coming, btw, surely but very slowly."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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In post 1803, davesaz wrote:In post 1648, goodmorning wrote:
Barring that, can you point to anything concrete in the thread to explain any of your reads?
I'm going to pretend I don't know what you're implying.
Explain your reads. I don't listen to meta, I lynch the players who rely too much on it. Because only scum don't explain their reads.
Clear enough for you?
Yeahhhhhhh, "pretend" wasn't in there because I wanted you to explain; if I had I'd have asked you to.
"Pretend" was in there because I was trying not to get annoyed.
"Was" is in the previous sentence because now Iamannoyed.
In post 1805, davesaz wrote:In post 1802, goodmorning wrote:
Townanyoneis more likely to fall into that trap. That TSO is especially isn't really the point.
I happen to agree with this, though it does start a little in the direction of assuming scumcan'ttunnel. I think it's more accurate to say that scum do tunnel, but they do it strategically where they're likely to either appear town or get a mislynch. Scum don't generally tunnel randomly, and they don't generally go back to their tunnel after being called on it by town. This analysis counts as a town-leaning factor for TSO.
I didn't mean that he was tunneling. TSO does that regardless. I meant that he was in a discussion with no percentage.
I don't like TSO's attempted use of appeal to his own authority. I have not looked deeply into the reasons it came up, and have no real desire to do so. Even if it were in direct response to something like "your case is crap", using previous results to show he can catch scum (in a good game for him) doesn't give a free pass on proving his case in this game. If someone challenges his case, he needs to be able to back it up. If he can't back it up, admit it was a bad case and move on. Not being able to back a case, and in particular being unwilling to back it, is scummy. Notice I'm not focusing on the AtA itself, but the lack of backing on the case.
Except that it wasn't anything to do with his case. It was a pissing contest with Nero, and only that.
In post 1821, Slandaar wrote:In post 1802, goodmorning wrote:
It's terribly transparent, trying to lynch a PR. Your answer is too simple - it doesn't take consequences into account.
PR's get lynched all the time by town and scum alike. The 'consequences' are what? they may get lynched for it? but it's no different to any other town wagon/lynch they try to push.
Today is Day 1. If you don't get why that makes a difference then perhaps you should try to figure it out.
I'm sorry you replaced into a Scum slot, but sidetracking me with theory discussions is not helpful.EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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In post 1836, goodmorning wrote:
Yeahhhhhhh, "pretend" wasn't in there because I wanted you to explain; if I had I'd have asked you to.
"Pretend" was in there because I was trying not to get annoyed.
"Was" is in the previous sentence because now Iamannoyed.
Well, you responded and I think it was a fair price.
I'm not quite ready to call TSO totally town based on your explanation, but I agree that the potential reward on his play does not seem to make sense for scum. Waiting for his promised case... The lack of apparent scum motivation for TSO's play makes me doubt Axle. While Axle has posted on other topics, his push on TSO seems awfully one dimensional, and he doesn't seem to be taking enough surrounding information into account. However, Axle's push does get mitigated to some extent for a similar reason that TSO gets mitigated. I'm not sure what's the scum angle in continuing to push someone when the argument isn't gaining traction.
Likewise I'm not willing to call Thor as definitely not town, because there isn't a lot of directly scummy behavior. I am significantly less confident in his towniness than early in the gamee. Like Axel, he is posting on multiple topics but doesn't seem to be actually pushing anyone but PereV. There is support for the PereV wagon which means it's not as risky for potential scum to maintain.
I'm interested in hearing more / looking into The Fonz. I got immediate scum vibes but can't quite lay a finger on it right now.
The set of talking people seems to be smaller than the set of not replaced people. I know there are a couple of V/LA but still I'd probably like to suspect the ones who are here doing next to nothing over the ones who are not here at all.-
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In post 1836, goodmorning wrote:I didn't mean that he was tunneling. TSO does that regardless. I meant that he was in a discussion with no percentage.
I think I understand what you are saying. On that basis.
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In post 1840, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1836, goodmorning wrote:I didn't mean that he was tunneling. TSO does that regardless. I meant that he was in a discussion with no percentage.
I think I understand what you are saying. On that basis.
What is his percentage in the discussion as town?
also I have scum percentage... youre town reading him for it... seems like a pretty good percentage to me-
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@Thread
How to know TSO is scum.
If you have town PM, look at him is he playing on the same team as you?
(Nope, he is certainly not playing on my team)
Is he furthering discussion, generating information?
Spoiler: Some details
Nope.
Was he willing to explain his case to other people?Nope.
When he did (explain some examples), it didn't stand up to actual scrutiny 1229 1236 1240
Did he have a case?
In post 676, T S O wrote:So, what this boils down to is, that Thor has given a case, while I haven't,
Is TSO capable of town reading derpy town players he has very low regard for. (AKA does TSO habitually mistake bad for scum?)
Spoiler: nope, he knows bad!=scum
TSO never had case, or a real reason to vote Aneninen, what he had was place to hide.
Then make lots and lots of look busy posts, and not actually read and analyse the thread
In post 840, T S O wrote:
I have thought a lot of his pushes seem to go over my headdue to me skimming most of his arguments if they bore me,but I don't know if that's relevant to him, rather than me just being a lazy skimming fuck. Meh.
And whats TSOs view on people who refuse to talk to other people
In post 1237, T S O wrote:Well, I 100%despise[..other things he despises..], as well as the whole "I'm-not-talking-to-you" routine, [..more words..]
That however does not stop him, refusing point blank to talk people. That rather large glaring internal inconsistency. Townies tend not to do things they despise, especially when those things are inherently scummy and anti town.
Lynch TSO Today-
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In post 1836, goodmorning wrote:
I don't like TSO's attempted use of appeal to his own authority. I have not looked deeply into the reasons it came up, and have no real desire to do so. Even if it were in direct response to something like "your case is crap", using previous results to show he can catch scum (in a good game for him) doesn't give a free pass on proving his case in this game. If someone challenges his case, he needs to be able to back it up. If he can't back it up, admit it was a bad case and move on. Not being able to back a case, and in particular being unwilling to back it, is scummy. Notice I'm not focusing on the AtA itself, but the lack of backing on the case.
Except that it wasn't anything to do with his case. It was a pissing contest with Nero, and only that.
Well not really, TSO has had an ongoing pattern of appeal to his authority by denigrating that of anyone else.
Spoiler: denigrating posts
So yeah I think rather large slice of TSO play has been based on "Youre bad, I am good, I am so good I dont have to do jack shit." (even though he despises that approach to play)
Well he does that with whoever he thinks he can get away with it.-
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In post 1845, AxleGreaser wrote:so far he is getting away with it, and youre town reading him for it? (as its got no percentage except you town reading him for it?)
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In post 1846, Garmr wrote:In post 1845, AxleGreaser wrote:so far he is getting away with it, and youre town reading him for it? (as its got no percentage except you town reading him for it?)
You agree that boonskies is being boonskies right?
That phrase came up in this context
In post 420, Aneninen wrote:Garrmrrmr wrote:Boonskies was the fact he needed to clarify that those were rvs votes.1 No one really asked him for it and it seems odd as town why you feel the need to say hey this is a rvs vote.
(1) Boonskiies was just being Boonskiies. I can tell you I've seen that. Even if you haven't come across with him, why is it a scumtell?
On that occasion, you replied
In post 423, Garmr wrote:1.I'm not the only one who thought that was scummy (thor did) and how is that even a defence boon skies is boon skies. Like i said why would town need to clarify themselves.
and its true that, feeling the need to over explain yourself at that stage of the game can be a scum tell.
however "Boonkies is Boonskies is a short hand way to tell you that with respect to how Boonskies plays that was not all that remarkable.
That is my view even if Boonskies has never felt the need to say that before!!!!
Why?
Context, at post 130, Csaero had been taking all sorts of things 35 and treating them disproportionately seriously.
I can imagine even a town Boonksie thinking nope, "As my second vote had reason, I had better inb4 someone takes it wrong"
at the very least it is an actual argument by Aneninen, it may be wrong, but its not dismissable out of hand.
I am not in anyway keen to lynch Boonskie today.
What exactly are you asking me to agree to? You seem to be fishing for an open ended agreement, that I absolutely read Boonskie is Boonskie.
Indeed the D1 soft claim is I think a bit weird(not seen before)(new Boonskie) but I have no intention of talking about it today.-
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In post 1848, AxleGreaser wrote:ah yeah, so take this where its going. k.
As in: Yes, I agree that peoples alignment is best determined by considering them in terms of themselves not just against an absolute scale of towniness.
(Eg Thor and Perv are both posting more insightful posts than say Aneninen or Csaero (pretty sure all 4 agree)
(However Thor claims PereV is skating (or something) and yes PereV has to live up to expectations of PereV not a newer less experienced player.)
does that help?
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