Newbie 1543: Nightmare Mafia (Scum Win)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Count 2.02

(L-2)

Jagged Appliance: (2) BlueBloodedToffee, wgeurts

(L-1)

wgeurts: (3) copper223, Originalchris, Jagged Appliance

Not Voting: Brian Skies, serrapaladin

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-28 04:20:00)

Mod Notes:
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And again, you think he tries to start a counter-wagon on his buddy D2 as well?

So they just decided to put each other in real danger all game.

Jagged states intent to hammer with Wgeurts at L-1 on D2 after lurking.

Wgeurts tries to start 2 counter-wagons on his buddy when he is in danger of being lynched.

No, that's a ridiculous possibility.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper,

Who is Wgeurts buddy?

[serrapaladin]

I've admitted problems with jagged-scum, but I still think independently he's the most scummy, and I don't have a good reason for either Brian or chris except PoE.

[serrapaladin]

Would you unvote me so jagged doesn't come in and hammer?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I want Jagged to hammer.

Why is Jagged scum?

[serrapaladin]

If you're going to lynch me later, fine, but we should really discuss what happens the next 2 days while copper and I are still alive.

[serrapaladin]

For reasons mentioned. If there's no way you're stopping your tunnel, I'm going to leave now.

[copper223]

@BBT
I don't want to give strong reads because it's easy for mafia (and lazy town) to just sheep me now that I'm confirmed, I want to see what everyone has to say for themselves first.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just want to know who you think is scum and I'll show you why you're wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Serra, I guarantee I'm tunneling you all day long.

My vote is going nowhere. I promise.

[copper223]

BBT that's going to be hard to do because at the moment I don't really know, for today I'm thinking of 3 people, in no particular order Serra / OC / Brian, if this were final three I would also take a hard look at you.

Would be great if you want to make a case for why OC / Brian are town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't need to make cases for why Brian and OC are town.

I've made a pretty good case for why Serra is scum, which is what matters.

Look at the point I just made to Serra about Brian putting Wgeurts to L-1. He had no reason to do that.

Look at how easily Wgeurts was persuaded into lynching OC at start of D2. That tells you he is not his buddy either.

[copper223]

@BBT
If Serra is mafia
- Why did he waste his vote on the Jagged tunnel when he had plenty of opportunity to misslynch both you and Waffle at the end of D1? In fact he called both of you town (oh the hubris if Serra is actually town...) and said he would lynch Waffle because he was the less useful of the two going forward, why did he say so if he was mafia?
- Why did he wait for Brian to see if he would commit his vote on Jagged D2 before voting himself?
- Why did he go for the PR?

[copper223]

@Serra
I agree with BBT that your Jagged tunnel looks pretty far fetched to me, I think he went for Breshke because he needed a reason to switch his vote and someone not talking is the first that comes to mind.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Maybe he didn't want to be on the same wagon as his buddy? He tried very hard to keep himself out of the spotlight on D1 with his tunnel on Jagged.

Did he end up being on the WG wagon? No, because his buddy was on it. Town-reading the people who were getting wagoned gets him town-cred after the flip.

I'm not sure what point 2 is about.

PR kill is the most optimal kill. Always. No matter what. Confirmed townies cannot be kept in the game if you're scum. Narrows the lynching pool.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, there goes my Thor-Jag theory. BBT, I await your chris case, I'm suspicious of you, jag and WG. Though I now need to look at Brian and OC.

Just saw this, thought I would post it.

Wgeurts has like a super, mega town-read on Serra that he doesn't even consider the possibility he might be scum.

[serrapaladin]

Newbscum also doesn't tend to uber-townread their buddy.

No way I would have tried to kill copper when you and chris had basically promised to tunnel me today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Newbscum also doesn't tend to uber-townread their buddy.

You know what, for once, I agree.

Remember when Wgeurts was under pressure and he posted this reads-list?

Town

Brian

Copper
OC

Serra

BBT
Jagged

Scum

Look where Brian is.

Look where you are.

You were uber, super-duper, mega town to Wgeurts all game, even to the point where he completely forgot you existed at times.

Now you're nearly scum when his lynch is inevitable.

What do you think about that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mmm, my partner is totally serra.
Or mabye OC hehe.

This post is so awkward.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Town

Copper
Serra
Chris
Brian
Bresh/JA
Thor
WG
Wgeurts

Scum

Jag is conveniently placed in a location showing BBT isn't very suspicious and is unlikely to push Jag but he isn't high enough to raise questions.

This shows that Wguerts thinks that position in a reads-list is a good position to place your partner.

Exactly where he placed Serra.

[serrapaladin]

His reads are inconsistent. If you do the same for Brian you'll find an early strong town in 21, then no read at all in 48 and 61, null in 85, and so on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not on you they weren't.

You were town ALL GAME.

Now you're not. This is the only time you're not a super-town-read for Wgeurts.

I wonder why that is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper, end this game please.

[serrapaladin]

Then we have serra, who looks town in my eyes

Reads so far after analysis.
Town: Chris, Serra, Copper, Wgeurts
Mild Town: Brian
Possible Scum: Thor, WaffleGhost
Likely Scum: BBT, Breshke

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks for proving my point?