NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Wake1]

VC tomorrow morning.

Seeking a replacement for Psyche.

Will check last VC for any discrepancies.

[Pine]

Skybird expressed a sincere belief that there isn't a godfather. Town has plenty of reason to suspect the opposite. Sounds like a newbie scumslip to me

[Skybird]

You would be wrong Pine. I'm not scum. Have you read my ISO?

[Skybird]

Pine, what evidence do you have to support your assumption of a GF.

[Pine]

None at all.

I'm saying that you confidently don't think there is one, and Town has no reason to think otherwise. You're the one making a major assumption, and that screams "informed minority," AKA Mafia

[reinoe]

You would be wrong Pine. I'm not scum. Have you read my ISO?

I have and it's scummy to me.

Actually...

UNVOTE: Psyche

[Skybird]

How do you expect to solve this game if you don't make an assumption or two?

Reinoe, what specifically is scummy?

[Skybird]

After sleeping on it, I have to walk back my no ii's statement just a bit.

I don't think we are dealing with a Godfather situation but I feel there's a good chance the SK is ii.

My newb gut feeling is having two roles that are ii is a bit too favorable to the dark side.

How is the above confidently stating there is no GF?

[Skybird]

assuming Godfather

never do this

Holy shit, this in spades, people.

I know I've been don't give away from this site for a couple of years, and common doctrine changes, but you don't discard a Cop innocent until they either have a confirmed scum slip, contradicting investigator (ie Tracker following them to a body,) or it's LYLO. Jesus, that's not even that complicated.

Majiffy leading the questioning of innocent results practically confirms them.

House, you have precisely one post to unvote a Cop inno, or you get my vote

Pine, here you agree with Marquis that you can't assume a Godfather. You are also suspicious of me because I'm assuming that there isn't one. How are you supposed to resolve a game if you never consider whether that role is in the game?

[Pine]

I am willing to admit that there is a strong element of educated hunch to my interpretation. I see you discarding the possibility and making an assumption about the SK that is not a reasonable leap for the uninformed majority. Further, you just quoted yourself SK-hunting, which is forgotten was a red flag for you

The post you quoted is not in any way equivalent. It says to assume nothing except the evidence you're given, while you're pushing an evidence-free scummy agenda

[Skybird]

So that's your entire case on me? You are making an assumption on me because I made an assumption. That's pretty weak sauce.

What's your case on PV?

[Pine]

The assumptions we make are one of the most significant insights into our motives.

My case consists of two very strong points:

1) You posited a theory that made an assumption involving information Town doesn't have. Ergo, informed minority. Ergo, Mafia

2) You're not scumhunting, you're Serial Killer hunting. That's a huge Mafia giveaway.

Yes, I feel that's a strong case

As for PV, it's a lot of little things. I don't have a bunch of time to put it all together on my tablet, so call it a strong, educated hunch. Biggest clue might be the way he reacted to getting wagoned, and how easily that wagon melted away (note to self, analyze who went on and off of that wagon.) Plus, if he were Town with several people ready to hammer, it would have happened

[Pine]

Scum's too close to winning to not take the opportunity for a justifiable mislynch. As that didn't happen, it's a pretty strong point against him

[Skybird]

You keep telling me I'm sk hunting but that's bs. I'm trying to hunt scum. How exactly am I sk hunting and not scum hunting?

Right now I'm trying to figure out if Psyche and Marquis are scum, if one of them is scum and if so which one, or if neither of them is scum. So why do you keep bringing up the sk?

[Skybird]

Scum's too close to winning to not take the opportunity for a justifiable mislynch. As that didn't happen, it's a pretty strong point against him

Who's been close to being hammered that he didn't vote for?

[Pine]

PV was at L-1 and his lynch didn't happen, even when 75% of players were endorsing it. If a Townie had been in that position, he'd have been hammered.

Also, at this point I'm pretty sure you're either not reading my case on you or sticking your fingers in your proverbial ears and going "La la la can't hear you." My case isn't for your benefit, it's directed towards everyone else. I'm quite finished explaining the same thing over and over again.

[Pine]

Nitpicking my every post and yelling "NUH UH" instead of doing productive scumhunting really isn't helpin your case

[Skybird]

You keep telling me I'm sk hunting but that's bs. I'm trying to hunt scum. How exactly am I sk hunting and not scum hunting?

Right now I'm trying to figure out if Psyche and Marquis are scum, if one of them is scum and if so which one, or if neither of them is scum. So why do you keep bringing up the sk?

How about answering these questions?

[Skybird]

Reineo, you unvoted Psyche. So what are you going to do now?

[shaddowez]

UNVOTE:

Marquis, from what I remember, PV has been the one pushing scum in each neighborhood.

Which is a super sketchy assumption. Remember, scum KNOWS the percentage of scum in each neighborhood. If there were even one all-Town hood, or one hood that you don't have members in that might contain our SK, charging full steam ahead on the notion that there has to be scum in each is practically required. It's a free action that looks like legit scumhunting, when it's just bad logic.

I've said it repeatedly, I'll say it again. Wake stated in the first post that there's a twist to this game. All bets regarding setup are off the table

Something along the lines of this had come up much earlier in the game, but I think you stated it much more eloquently here. I'm still not sure what to think of the fake-masons, but don't want to see the PV wagon just disappear yet again.

VOTE: Pere

[reinoe]

Reineo, you unvoted Psyche. So what are you going to do now?

Hey phone posting. I'm probably going to vote Pere. The only other person I'm scumreading is you, but I want to look through Maji's and Aero's ISO again.

[Pine]

You keep telling me I'm sk hunting but that's bs. I'm trying to hunt scum. How exactly am I sk hunting and not scum hunting?

Right now I'm trying to figure out if Psyche and Marquis are scum, if one of them is scum and if so which one, or if neither of them is scum. So why do you keep bringing up the sk?

How about answering these questions?

Are you fucking with me? Seriously, are you? Asked and answered. Repeatedly. Read my goddamn posts

[Pine]

I would prefer to lynch Psyche before he weasels out of suspicion and kills me or the other people who scumread him, but I could compromise on PV.

But seriously, let's do Psyche today. There's plenty of support for PV for the next day, and I'm legit concerned that Psyche will active lurk out of this position

[reinoe]

PV was at L-1 and his lynch didn't happen, even when 75% of players were endorsing it. If a Townie had been in that position, he'd have been hammered.

Fuck it. I can read those ISO's during the night.
VOTE: PeregrineV

[reinoe]

PV was at L-1 and his lynch didn't happen, even when 75% of players were endorsing it. If a Townie had been in that position, he'd have been hammered.

Fuck it. I can read those ISO's during the night.
VOTE: PeregrineV

Unlike gameplay I won't forget.