NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

reinoe · Post Post #4775 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:10 am

In post 4774, Skybird wrote:Reineo and Pine, you are both wrong. I'm going to lmao at you all when I flip town.

Instead of saying you're townie could you do some townie things?

Pine · Post Post #4776 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:21 am

If Skybird flips Town, I will be most wroth at the display of anti-Town behavior

That said, I'm pretty confident in a red flip

shaddowez · Post Post #4777 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:54 am

Pine and Skybird

- I don't see either of you getting lynched today, so rather than vote each other why don't you focus on who of the viable wagons could be scum? I definitely don't think both of you are scum, but the way the thread is being derailed at this point makes it more and more likely that one of you are.

Skybird · Post Post #4778 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:13 pm

In post 4775, reinoe wrote:
In post 4774, Skybird wrote:Reineo and Pine, you are both wrong. I'm going to lmao at you all when I flip town.

Instead of saying you're townie could you do some townie things?

I feel I have been. You are the one reading scum into everything I do. I've been trying to figure out the Marquis/Psyche thing because I'm having a hard time believing they are both town. That led to Pine calling me scum. So what do you suggest I do?

Pine · Post Post #4779 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:15 pm

I'm voting for Psyche

PE: Umm, no. You still actually haven't read/understood my case on you, and it's getting really tiresome

Skybird · Post Post #4780 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:17 pm

In post 4776, Pine wrote:If Skybird flips Town, I will be most wroth at the display of anti-Town behavior

That said, I'm pretty confident in a red flip

And what specifically has been anti town? If you read my ISO, you know that I am new to this game. So please help me by pointing out the anti town stuff so I can improve my play.

Skybird · Post Post #4781 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:17 pm

Your case consists of me making an assumption that you disagree with.

Pine · Post Post #4782 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:57 pm

Everything you've done since I first made my case has been anti-Town. You've done absolutely zero except protest my suspicion of you. Town doesn't get hung up on one detractor, they go out and hunt the fuck out of scum. Notice how I haven't said 'boo' at the votes on me? I don't care about them. I'm not in this game to survive. I'm in it to expose scum

That's the fundamental psychological difference that bad scum players don't get. When you spend your time obsessing about yourself, your image, and removing threats against yourself, you give away the fact that you don't have to spend all your time worrying about the harder task (finding scum)

Skybird · Post Post #4783 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:29 pm

Fine, I suck as a player. You've been playing since 2011. I started 3 months ago. Sorry I'm not up to your exacting standards, but I'm trying. When you started riding my case I was trying to figure out the whole mason thing. I can't believe someone who is town would go along with it and I also don't see it being a reasonable claim for another town person to make either. Now if you'd like to discuss this particular issue civilly, great. If not, good night.

Pine · Post Post #4784 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:37 pm

Look, I'm not on your case. Everyone starts somewhere. You just seem to refuse to actually read my points against you.

I'm not saying you're a bad person or player for what you're doing. Just new

Skybird · Post Post #4785 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:48 pm

In post 4693, Marquis wrote:Last time: even if you think Psyche is scum, the best course of action is to lynch one of me/PV/Shadow (last members of neighborhoods whose other members were town) today.

In post 4686, Marquis wrote:i was about to replace out of this game like my others due to rl and health problems.
but i'm going to do this first:
1) i claimed masons with psyche because i was damn sure that pv was scum, and i had a hard townread on psyche. i didn't want any distractions from the pv wagon which is what appeared to be forming
2) i was paranoid earlier, but psyche's recent posting makes me confident in my townread on him anyway
3) psyche is a distraction anyway; scum is trying to redirect attention away from the neighborhoods, which there is sure to be scum in (remember these people saying "there's scum in the neighborhoods" and now saying "nah there totally isn't" once they're whittled down)
now i'm going to ask
given that my activity from now on will be extremely limited, with a focus on moderating my games
should i stay or should i go

In post 4722, Pine wrote:I would prefer to lynch Psyche before he weasels out of suspicion and kills me or the other people who scumread him, but I could compromise on PV.

But seriously, let's do Psyche today. There's plenty of support for PV for the next day, and I'm legit concerned that Psyche will active lurk out of this position

In the first two posts, Marquis is trying really hard to steer us away from Psyche. For that I'm going to put my vote back on Psyche.

VOTE: Psyche

Marquis · Post Post #4786 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:50 pm

what does that even imply
that i have a townread on psyche and would really rather lynch scum today?
mmmmyeah

Skybird · Post Post #4787 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:52 pm

In post 4784, Pine wrote:Look, I'm not on your case. Everyone starts somewhere. You just seem to refuse to actually read my points against you.

I'm not saying you're a bad person or player for what you're doing. Just new

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Honestly, I did read all your posts. I just don't see your case. I'm sure it's a mixture of me being new and knowing my alignment. But let's leave this for post game. I don't want to derail the thread again.

notscience · Post Post #4788 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:23 pm

marquis you can't really talk about your reads without me laughing

I've seen your read on me

reinoe · Post Post #4789 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm

In post 4783, Skybird wrote:Fine, I suck as a player. You've been playing since 2011. I started 3 months ago. Sorry I'm not up to your exacting standards, but I'm trying. When you started riding my case I was trying to figure out the whole mason thing. I can't believe someone who is town would go along with it and I also don't see it being a reasonable claim for another town person to make either. Now if you'd like to discuss this particular issue civilly, great. If not, good night.

This looks scummy.

Wake1 · Post Post #4790 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:32 pm

VC tomorrow morning.

reinoe · Post Post #4791 (ISO) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:25 pm

I'm fine with not lynching either marquis or psyche. The SK is literally playing against their wincon by not taking care of it. Unless SK is either Marquis or Psyche. But then mafia are playing against their wincon by not sorting it tonight. Either way scum are not playing to their wincon by letting it slide. Let's lynch PV.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4792 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:25 am

In post 4791, reinoe wrote:I'm fine with not lynching either marquis or psyche. The SK is literally playing against their wincon by not taking care of it. Unless SK is either Marquis or Psyche. But then mafia are playing against their wincon by not sorting it tonight. Either way scum are not playing to their wincon by letting it slide. Let's lynch PV.

Why don't you go with the fact I'm town and pretend you live night 5 and it's day6. then, scumhunt based on whatever criteria you are currently using, and give us your reads and reasons.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4793 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:27 am

In post 4771, reinoe wrote:Anyway I think there's too much interference taking place on behalf of PeregrineV for him not to be scum. Why is he so hard to wagon and why was TN5421 so easy to wagon. Majiffy also impossible to wagon.

Because tn5421 gave less of a shit than I do?

I don't recall you trying to wagon Majiffy, or your read on him. What will I find if I go look?

reinoe · Post Post #4794 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:15 am

In post 4778, Skybird wrote:So what do you suggest I do?

Explain the basis for your scumread on confirmed town Mirhawk.

reinoe · Post Post #4795 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:05 pm

In post 4793, PeregrineV wrote:

I don't recall you trying to wagon Majiffy, or your read on him. What will I find if I go look?

Oh no...no please. Don't look through my ISO. Please God don't!!! No really don't. Instead...

In post 3609, PeregrineV wrote:

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that
--->dead town players get totally ignored.<---

Why don't you analyze what the dead townies have to say. Dead scum too since now we've got two of 'em. But of course you whine about what a tragedy it is that dead townies get ignored and then you proceed to ignore dead townies. There's only one reason someone would deliberately ignore what dead townies say and it has 0 town motivation.

reinoe · Post Post #4796 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:30 pm

In post 3120, Majiffy wrote:
In post 3114, OkaPoka wrote:Royal and Peregrine are tomorrow's candidates for lynching.

Reinoe > PV

This is pretty damning fo PV.

Pine · Post Post #4797 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:52 pm

Unvote
Vote: Peregrine V

Well, the lynch I want isn't going through, I'll compromise for my second pick

Skybird, I've been having nagging gut feelings all day suggesting that you might be newTown with a really, really scummy-looking playstyle. Let's get a claim from PV, then lynch him

PV, you're at L-1 with lots of support for a hammer, claim and let's move on

Skybird · Post Post #4798 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:45 pm

In post 4797, Pine wrote:
Unvote
Vote: Peregrine V

Well, the lynch I want isn't going through, I'll compromise for my second pick

Skybird, I've been having nagging gut feelings all day suggesting that you might be newTown with a really, really scummy-looking playstyle. Let's get a claim from PV, then lynch him

PV, you're at L-1 with lots of support for a hammer, claim and let's move on

OK, this is my intent to hammer PV.

UNVOTE:

Skybird · Post Post #4799 (ISO) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:59 pm

In post 3935, Skybird wrote:Of the two wagons, I'm more comfortable with voting Mirhawk.

VOTE: Mirhawk

In post 3943, Skybird wrote:I don't know if Mirhawk or PV are scum. It's too late in the day though to put a vote on someone else and I don't want to see the day end in a no lynch. Looking at my notes I see that Mirhawk was in on both d1 and d2 lynches. PV voted for my slot on d1 and didn't vote on d2.

PV, can you tell me why you didn't vote on d2?

In post 3944, Skybird wrote:Marquis, why do you feel the Mirhawk slot is probably scum? Reineo, same question.

In post 3946, Skybird wrote:Mirhawk, can you share your thinking that went into your votes? I'm trying to figure out who is more scummy between you and PV. It's good that you voted to lynch scum, but how do I know you weren't bussing?

In post 3952, Skybird wrote:OK, I wanted to check when the majority of d2 took place. It took place Saturday and Sunday. PV has in his signature that he has limited access on weekends. I was thinking PV not voting for Aero was suspicious, but that thinking isn't correct.

UNVOTE:

p-edit: Thanks reineo. I'm not getting scum vibes from either lynch candidate at the moment. Can we get a wagon going on someone else?

I think my thought process is pretty clear in the posts above. We were getting close to DL and only had two wagons going. (post 3943) I was using VCA to try and determine which of the two were more likely scum.