You could be anyone II - Game Over

[Garmr]

Anyway can we get back to lynching real scum titus and mollie.

[TheWayItEnds]

Also did you crumb your result or no?

I'm not seeing it.

[Garmr]

re: my justification to Vote you early D2, I stand behind it. There was a lack of a case {thank you for so aptly pointing it out}, because there wasn't meant to be a case. It was pure PoE. I stand behind that Vote 100% as a good starting point for the Day.

Yeh If I wasn't so town I would be a good starting point. People have strong opinions about me my lynch would be a mislynch but informational.

josh thinks it's multiball in a reaction to me trying to hunt for connections between people when i qt hunted

The interesting thing about this is Josh's original posts about multiball have seemingly nothing to do with you. Specifically, he's talking about his meta experience with jT's previous large games and TD's reaction to his stance on the original TSO/FF speculation. Why do you think it has anything to do with you?

The fact it was brought up around the time I mentioned searching for another qt I got the assumption he assumed I was scum in a qt searching for quick topics and it would explain his vote on me

im still super behind here... Page 15 and wondering how Garmr didnt get lynched. I don't agree with the way that wagon ended. Also not liking the FFs, which is not a statement about wether I think they are scum or not, I just don't like them and I blame my having to catch up on so many pages on them.

Because this game is full of people who know and can see it's my town game.

Partly because I misunderstood the whole qt slipping thing. I thought that you slipped about being in a qt.

But why QT and not PT.

Has jason still not switched over yet?

Lucky2you is probably scum. It seems like he thinks Garmer is scum, but he's more focused on the wagon ending.

Also him saying the bolded section means he slipped with the fact isn't in a qt or pt which I assume makes him town

Tried to point out he town slipped here and I was looking for reasons to town read him since I had a null-scum read on him yesterday. But god damn it's hard to make bs up for josh.

[pirate mollie]

....

Just so you know garmr.

If you had died last night, and flipped hider.

It is unlikely that josh would be lynched off that crumb.

^ this.

and a hider is a VERY easy claim to fake as scum.

[Garmr]

....

Just so you know garmr.

If you had died last night, and flipped hider.

It is unlikely that josh would be lynched off that crumb.

^ this.

and a hider is a VERY easy claim to fake as scum.

Whats your scum fake claim mollie?

[Garmr]

You know what if you lynch me it confirms josh is town so maybe my lynch is best for today also you can lynch titus or mollie tommorow.

[Nero Cain]

@ika Why is Garmr scum?

Welcome Ank. You have a town PM.

nope.

I am thinking about nero saying that I was nearly trust telling even tho I called agar an indie 1 time cos he smelled like it (turns out he was our traitor!) when I was in a game that I was in with him is kind of strange.

while I would expect nero to be townreading me at this point it is a pretty strong conclusive statement that he has me as undeniably town.

Do you know what a trust tell is? I was thinking of that game where you called me an indie (I was town). I mean, saying that "I never sk hunt as town" is getting real close to trust tell.

@bold-ummmm...what?

house is town
tos is derp town
SC is still scum
garer is scum
HI is scum
titus can be town for now but she needs to not be like this

so who we lynching first?

You if you keep pulling names out of a hat without actually making cases. You're virtually a nonfactor.

this happens all the time bro.

@Josh- p2498 is terribad. The logic is pretty appalling. If Titus is Scum, then HI has to be SK, because she'd make an honest case against the SK, so Vote:HI? dafuq? That's not really what you're saying... is it?

That makes p sense man. Titus scum would have just has much motivation to lynch the sk as town would.

There is no current evidence that there's an SK

just 'cause we don't have evidence doesn't mean that they don't.
d3x-Do you believe HI's claim?

[pirate mollie]

....

Just so you know garmr.

If you had died last night, and flipped hider.

It is unlikely that josh would be lynched off that crumb.

^ this.

and a hider is a VERY easy claim to fake as scum.

Whats your scum fake claim mollie?

I don't have 1. I don't need 1 cos I am town.

caught scum is caught scum and you are it my friend.

so you can carry on all over the place and still ignore that you attempted to discredit and mirep at a time when it was convenient to do so. cos it kind of looked like you were moving me into a townread (sort of, "I may be wrong about molliie!") and you were being forced into that you sure as hell wouldn't want town to listen to what I had to say. so that wld be an easy time to try to discredit me and comes from pure scum motivation in order to steer the game. there isn't a town 1 to be found. I doubt you have even looked at my wiki prior to this and bet you didn't it would be so easy to look up. you also probably didn't know I had that many hydras or that I had 6 or 7 completed games with. or that some are frequently requested.

so the sole motivation of that untrue easily verifiable statement (but might not realise is so easily verifiable) is a scum 1.

scum role pm >>> scum motivation >>> scum posts

like town wld be all "my bad" when confronted with facts cos they know that they provided other town with misinformation and would want to help correct that. but your reaction is not to refute the facts...probably cos you can't, or ackowledge that you are wrong but to meltdown all over the place and then scream that titus and I are scum. <--- not town.

your MO with your cases are not from a perspective of trying to sort but rather trying to construct a narrative that fits what you are pushing. this is piecemeal, selective scumhunting the authenticity in scumhunting is examination of body of work and working from there and you are not doing that.

also the correct play for a town positive on a hider claim is to

strongly resist any1 lynching your target

and you did not do this you let josh get strung up led by your top town read which is d3x. like since you were 1 shot you should have outed your role immediately since you are now basically vt and it wld have given town a clrd townie to work with! you might have gotten me lynched!, but instead you let him get strung up by your strongest townread in which YOU CLD HAVE CLAIMED! but no, you still didn't.

this looks like you made up a claim on the fly.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC- What part of p2498 makes sense to you in a way that SK-HI would be a higher priority than GroupScum-Titus?

What the post really did was put Titus on the table for me. However, despite the way the post is phrased, I think lynching Hostile Intent tells me more about Titus than the other way around. I do not think lynching Titus first tells me anything about Hostile Intent unless we're in multiball, in which case the number of kills should pin down HI's alignment. On the other hand, HI being BP SK condemns Titus, as that means she knows for a fact that at least one kill did not go through, something town would not know.

[Garmr]

You know I done my Job. I have lost all respect for mollie as a mafia scum player (not as a person) this game is now the lowest on my priorities because of her. I will offer a thought here or there but don't expect anything much from me anymore.

[pirate mollie]

@SC- What part of p2498 makes sense to you in a way that SK-HI would be a higher priority than GroupScum-Titus?

What the post really did was put Titus on the table for me. However, despite the way the post is phrased, I think lynching Hostile Intent tells me more about Titus than the other way around. I do not think lynching Titus first tells me anything about Hostile Intent unless we're in multiball, in which case the number of kills should pin down HI's alignment. On the other hand, HI being BP SK condemns Titus, as that means she knows for a fact that at least one kill did not go through, something town would not know.

this has already been covered by "do you know who likes to lynch indies it is scum that is who" and why this may not apply to titus. and yet you voted

with her

. so what you are saying here is that scum!titus "might" know if HI was bp, yeah? so why are you voting WITH her instead of trying to find scum? cos you haven't done that.

[T S O]

garmr is still town

[House]

I have the sudden urge to lynch Garmr.

[d3x]

Short of some kind of Cop damnation, I'm not going to Vote mollie. She is not the Lynch for Today.

It pains me to do this, but...

UnVote:Josh

Good clear, Garmr.

@SC- That makes a surprising amount of sense, although I'm still pretty against the idea that HI is an SK. I feel that this situation will probably sort itself out well before we're in dire need of it to sort itself out. I also think GroupScum Hunting>SK Hunting. We at least know that they're in the game.

@Nero- I believe HI's Claim in as much as I disbelieve that it's a FakeClaim. And I strongly disbelieve that it's a FakeClaim. It may be a difference of semantics, but it's how I feel.

Vote:Jackal

This needs to go away sooner rather than later. I'd also be fine with Lynching P5 as his last actual contribution was over a month ago. I'm more than comfortable with the thought that Scum is easily hiding behind all this apathy and I'd like to shine some light on the mass of shadows over there. Maybe it'll motivate some of the uberLurkers into doing something. Maybe even... *gasp* ...playing Mafia!

I'd be ok with a Titus Lynch, but at this juncture, I'm feeling more bad Town than Scum. I seem to remember her Scum game as considerably tighter than this.

[PeregrineV]

Kind of far back on here. What's the latest day2 happenings as I catch up?

[d3x]

I just said I wanted you dead for not contributing in over a month.

[PeregrineV]

I just said I wanted you dead for not contributing in over a month.

At least you don't want me dead for

actually

contributing.

Anything else?

[pirate mollie]

@ d3x

we are gonna fight.

garmr's play does not support a 1 shot hider claim.

like no way no how in any way.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC- What part of p2498 makes sense to you in a way that SK-HI would be a higher priority than GroupScum-Titus?

What the post really did was put Titus on the table for me. However, despite the way the post is phrased, I think lynching Hostile Intent tells me more about Titus than the other way around. I do not think lynching Titus first tells me anything about Hostile Intent unless we're in multiball, in which case the number of kills should pin down HI's alignment. On the other hand, HI being BP SK condemns Titus, as that means she knows for a fact that at least one kill did not go through, something town would not know.

this has already been covered by "do you know who likes to lynch indies it is scum that is who" and why this may not apply to titus. and yet you voted

with her

. so what you are saying here is that scum!titus "might" know if HI was bp, yeah? so why are you voting WITH her instead of trying to find scum? cos you haven't done that.

I have established my scum reads with some pretty reasonable certainty, pirate mollie. The only change to them since this post is that I now consider Titus-scum a real possibility. Do not simply say that I haven't been trying to find scum.

As for why I am voting with my scumread, getting rid of a third party serves both town interests and groupscum interests as it takes a kill with it. It's pretty universal to want to lose as few people as possible on your own side. If you can find a legitimate reason to accuse Titus and me of being scumbuddies based on my voting Hostile Intent, then I'd like to hear it.

[PeregrineV]

@ d3x

we are gonna fight.

garmr's play does not support a 1 shot hider claim.

like no way no how in any way.

See, that's something to look at.

[pirate mollie]

I have established my scum reads with some pretty reasonable certainty, pirate mollie. The only change to them since this post is that I now consider Titus-scum a real possibility. Do not simply say that I haven't been trying to find scum.

why exactly are you now considering titus!scum a real possibility?

I mean you are sheeping her HI!sk read I mean that could on some level mean that you are srsly looking for scum.

As for why I am voting with my scumread, getting rid of a third party serves both town interests and groupscum interests as it takes a kill with it. It's pretty universal to want to lose as few people as possible on your own side. If you can find a legitimate reason to accuse Titus and me of being scumbuddies based on my voting Hostile Intent, then I'd like to hear it.

in none of this have you answered as to why you are just now thinking that scum!titus is a real possibility. <---- this is the question.

you are dodging my question strangerkitty.

[d3x]

@mollie- I'll look back over his D2 play tonight.

[House]

@ d3x

we are gonna fight.

garmr's play does not support a 1 shot hider claim.

like no way no how in any way.

See, that's something to look at.

I read up on the role, and I don't buy the claim at all, given the way it was outed and supposedly used.

VOTE: Vote: Garmr

[Ankamius]

I have seen far stupider SK play. It's not very likely, but it's definitely possible that he's SK regardless of this.

That's fine, but can we save the SK hunt for when we have any evidence of an SK?

I wasn't advocating an SK hunt at all. I was pointing out that logic isn't always correct in cases like this.

It's kind of obvious that there's some really important information I'm lacking right now. Can someone give me the rundown of whatever important shit happened this game so far?

[jasonT1981]

Official Vote Count

Hostile Intent

(4): RachMarie, Titus, Josh_B, StrangerCoug

House

(3): T S O, TiphaineDeath, Aunt Jemina

Garmr

(2): pirate mollie, House

StrangerCoug

(2): I have no creativity, Nero Cain

Josh_B

(2): I Am Innocent, Kthxbye

pirate mollie

(1): Jackal711

I have no creativity

(1): Pine

Titus

(1): Garmr

Jackal711

(1): d3x

Not Voting

(6): Kise, TheWayItEnds, Hostile Intent, Ankamius, PeregrineV, DrCirno

V/LA

: Titus (5th/10th) RachMarie (date not known)

Prods sent out

: DrCirno, Aunt Jemina

With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

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