Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[Riddleton]

Masons should not claim.

[Wisdom]

To all the 'savvy' players out there, would you consider reading the game and/or checking my iso? See #1076... I said there it's possible for scum-Riddle to have made a contradiction when trying to compile an erranous case on his partner.

I don't understand how people are so willing to conaider the issue resolved... it isn't.

Again, you were saying that Victor felt like he didn't want to believe he was wrong. This pinged to everyone because you were accusing Victor for doing something only town does. It makes no sense that you were making a case on your partner, you wouldn't slip and say that he was doing something town in your accusation; that's because the knowledge you would have would be that he's scum, not town.

It

was

resolved, with the scumflip. I don't get why we're still discussing it.

[borkjerfkin]

@Borkjerkin - Friendly advice, watch it. Being a jackass may be cool in some circles, but not this one.

No, if your response to people telling you you're wrong is 'you guys suck at this', you're the one who needs the attitude adjustment.

[Mathdino]

@Borkjerkin - Friendly advice, watch it. Being a jackass may be cool in some circles, but not this one.

You know, I don't WOTC jackasses, but I do WOTC jackasses who are also hypocrites about it.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Uh, you're all very bad at mafia. That's all there is to say.
I'm being very quiet as I allow the idiots who dominate this game to start mislynching.
Maybe then some of you will stop perking up your balls and actually play smart.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm being very quiet

I like this plan; I'm excited to be a part of it; Let's do it!

[Mathdino]

I really can't wait for endgame to laugh in this guy's face.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

You all do suck. That's honesty.
I'm regretting coming to this site, because everything is overanaylzing.
On my first site I had a near perfect record on dozens of games, so I'm simply asking for the credibility I deserve.

Stop over thinking the game. The answer is pretty clear. Acyron or Newbie are likely scum. Mala and Mathdino maybe.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I really can't wait for endgame to laugh in this guy's face.

Weird, I was thinking the same thing.

[borkjerfkin]

Anyway

VOTE: Wisdom

1287 is absolute balls and I'm not explaining why

[Newbie]

unvote

I really don't understand how you're thinking.
Is it "I default to voting Wisdom until someone says something I can agree with"?
And I still fail to comprehend whether you feel Mala is town or scum.[/quote]

It's mafia. Nobody knows who's what, so I can't help jumping on/off a lynch. Wgeurts made a convincing case against Malakittens, and I wouldn't mind voting her.

[Wisdom]

Actually wisdom could be scum with mala, they're both experienced and have both just let there push go. IF YOU THINK SOMEONES SCUM WHY WOULD YOU STOP PUSHING THEM?!?
It could all be a very good bus act, I must know however if the scum have day talk. Then it would make sense.
There's scum here: NM,Wisdom,Mala.
Further reads being made.

I'm kinda stopping because the most recent Mala posts gave me townvibes. Especially how she was talking off memory and mixed things up. That felt genuine.

I am not that sure about her just yet though.

Also scum don't have daytalk.

[Newbie]

Ugh. I messed up the quote.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Wisdom, who are you scum reading. Same to riddleton.
Might as well include newbie.

[Wisdom]

town will win by lynching the two people off the wagon and the last two people on the wagon.

When did you add the last part in? The last time it was only "we're lynching off the wagon, period"

[wgeurts]

I've decided against constantine being scum as his play wouldn't make sense from a scum point of view. I went off gut at first with him however that was biased because of me being irritated by his rp style. He's obviously not a newb so I imagine he's some guy fed up with current meta and is playing how he wants to play not caring about anyone or anything. I must admit my reasons before were rather policy based and weren't very well grounded. My change of mind was caused by me realising I was biased and that his actions wouldn't make sense as a non-noob scum. His carelessness however has caused me to label him village idiot.

Blindmewithscience

BMWS missed the first 150+ posts or so and went on to vote me. At first this looked opportunistic however his post after his votes were well reasoned and he actually showed signs of wanting to be sure he's making the right choice. As scum he could of just hard pushed my lynch until I was lynched, he however didn't and properly questioned me like in this post:

Do you honestly think scum would be so blatant about mason pushing? I can't believe even newbscum would do this.

@wgeurts, if Mason's claim now, they would be picked off by scum because scum don't want conftowns around who would not be lynched, because as the number of people in the game narrows, they have a harder time hiding among the crowd and would be easier to find.

In general, I can see where the wgeurts being furstrated town is coming from, and I'm agreeing with the whole Catch-22 situation that has been pointed out by Finn. But there's everything else that he's done, including the mason fishing. And so with regards to the first part of this, mafia are unpredictable. We can't say what they will or won't do. But we can always ask wgeurts.

@wgeurts: Please give your reasoning for your repeated, explicit masonfishing. Also, could you explain the inconsistencies shown before?

Now, I really don't like this.

It slightly troubled me when Silver defended me in 238 but I didn't give it much thought. You might actually have a point about her.

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The above comment by you is blatantly sheeping a bad case on me by mathdino. His whole post was crap and not worth a response. He's making up reasons to find me scummy and he can take his fabricated case on me and shove it where the sun don't shine. The fact that the only thing you had to say about it was the above extremely weak comment, reminds me of scum blending in, being wishy-washy, and not wanting to commit to any stance that might come back to bite them later in the game.

Note the enormous bashing of mathdino's suspicion. While I agree that it's a relatively weak argument, this incredibly charged response was a big overreaction IMO. At the end the day, I think all he was asking for was more, actual contributions, and you're attacking him for pointing out that you haven't posted anything of value. I'm not quite sure how much this affects my opinions of you, Silver.

But also, I like the point that Silver made about Wisdom only voted after wgeurts' argument. Again, not sure how much this affects my opinion of Silver, but the Wisdom case is getting stronger.

He has also shown a lot of him trying to figure out why wagons are being made and the reasons for them. He's been doing this most of the game and it's a rather good town tell in my eyes. As scum you wouldn't care about why a wagon is being pushed, as long as it hits town.

He eventually goes back to voting me however he backs it with *new* reasons, not just copies of others to join a fast wagon of my doom.

His constantine vote seems biased, like mine. I urge you BMWS to read his ISO and think of the motivations behind all his posts for both sides.

Predit: Mathdino, look at his posts, he's doing what I said: Being a village idiot. He generally doesn't give a fudge about site meta.
It looks horribly scummy but I seriously doubt he is scum so I will stand against any lynch of him.

[Wisdom]

If Riddleton is scum, that means he hard bussed (led a lynch against a scum buddy), which is not only rare, but usually backfires.

Not rare.

[Mathdino]

You all do suck. That's honesty.
I'm regretting coming to this site, because everything is overanaylzing.
On my first site I had a near perfect record on dozens of games, so I'm simply asking for the credibility I deserve.

Stop over thinking the game. The answer is pretty clear. Acyron or Newbie are likely scum. Mala and Mathdino maybe.

You know why we overanalyse here? Because scum are DAMN GOOD on this site. They're good at getting towncred. They're good at creating paranoia. They're good at getting wagons and mislynches going. On your site, we'd KNOW the things you keep lying about are true because we'd look over site meta and past games.
If scum is easily found on your site by looking at everyone off the scum wagon, I really don't know what to say about the quality of your players.

You deserve ZERO credibility on this site for bragging about how good you are every other post.
Also I like how you change me to a 'maybe' still not explaining why you scumread me in the first place at all.

Oh, and if you're scum, congrats for distracting me from the game, brother.

[Wisdom]

I'll also explain Mala more, I'm thinking Mala and not-mafia as the scum team now.

Don't think so. They voted me together, they defend each other.. it would be ridiculous if a scumteam was so obvious.

Mmm, unless that's what they want us to think.

Nah. It's WIFOM sure, but it makes much more sense that they aren't scum together. One of them, maybe, together I don't think so.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm actually getting a lot of Constantine townvibes from this convo.

Anyway.

[Wisdom]

I'll also explain Mala more, I'm thinking Mala and not-mafia as the scum team now.

Don't think so. They voted me together, they defend each other.. it would be ridiculous if a scumteam was so obvious.

This post fucking sucks

?

[wgeurts]

Uh, you're all very bad at mafia. That's all there is to say.
I'm being very quiet as I allow the idiots who dominate this game to start mislynching.
Maybe then some of you will stop perking up your balls and actually play smart.

Village Idiot who enjoys some trolling I must say.

[Mathdino]

Predit: Mathdino, look at his posts, he's doing what I said: Being a village idiot. He generally doesn't give a fudge about site meta.
It looks horribly scummy but I seriously doubt he is scum so I will stand against any lynch of him.

I don't care anymore, and I don't care if this is what'll make me scummy in the future. I want him out of the game.

Talk to me tomorrow and I might change my mind.

[wgeurts]

You all do suck. That's honesty.
I'm regretting coming to this site, because everything is overanaylzing.
On my first site I had a near perfect record on dozens of games, so I'm simply asking for the credibility I deserve.

Stop over thinking the game. The answer is pretty clear. Acyron or Newbie are likely scum. Mala and Mathdino maybe.

Yep, troll.
Still town though.

[borkjerfkin]

I don't care anymore, and I don't care if this is what'll make me scummy in the future. I want him out of the game.

Seriously, ignore him.