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[Klazam]

>.> I'm not making it up....

one was in my favor (the recent one) and one blew me out (the one like 7 years ago)

[GreyICE]

Seven years ago that was the rule, as I recall, hence the rule change, as it was utter bullshit. It made an important skill in playing the top deck in the format to speak slowly and clearly and waste tons of time.

Then the Jitte era added a whole new level to the BS.

[Klazam]

there you go i guess.
\o/

[Klazam]

YES THANK YOU. IT WAS A JITTE THAT I USED TO BLOW MYSELF OUT. not a guildmage. I knew it was a +2+2 of some sort

[Thestatusquo]

As an aside, I've been playing this and it. has. been. awesome.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... ees-top-4/

[hasdgfas]

That's one of the shortcut things I guess I wasn't as familiar with. It makes sense(and I tend to do it explicitly anyway), but I can understand the confusion.

Who all saw the Jeskai Heroic/Ascendancy deck that took down SCG Oakland? What an interesting deck. Ascendancy is

really

good even when not being completely unfair, as it turns out.

[Klazam]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... ees-top-4/

A LEGIT CHORD DECK OMG YES

ill play this eventually lol

[Thestatusquo]

Basically you can propose any shortcut that follows a logical progression of the rules.

When you are saying "Pump this four times" you are saying "let us progress to the part of the game where I have pumped this creature four times"

The way the rules handles that is to say "Ok, all the default actions that would have happened between now and the time that we end the shortcut are taken" the default way activating an ability functions is "activate, pass priority" In order to hold priority you would have to explicitly state that you were doing so.

Its just like how you can say, if your opponent is at 6 "Bolt you twice" The default action is cast, pass priority, so your opponent wouldn't be able to say ok, those on the stack, flusterstorm them both.

[Klazam]

yea i get it

[Thestatusquo]

I was talking to cow, because his post made it seem like he thinks that there are some shortcuts that are "Acceptable" and some that are "not acceptable."

I was just trying to make it clear that you can really shortcut anything if both players agree to it and it follows the rules of the game.

[hasdgfas]

Oh, I didn't mean that some shortcuts are "not acceptable", just that it's a (generally accepted and understood) shortcut that I wasn't quite as familiar with the technical aspects of, and I can understand people (like Klazam and myself in this thread) being a little confused.

[Klazam]

you can't shortcut four horsemen-style decks though I think that you should be able to though

[Natirasha]

I forget the intricacies of the combo, but isn't it illegal just because of the amount of time it takes due to repeating the same action x times with a meaningful change in boardstate or something?

[chamber]

Basically it does a random action repeatedly that results in a known deck configuration. It seeks to setup the deck x way. If you could do it any number of times in theory you could choose the order of the deck, and the rules don't let you short cut to it. If you attempt to do it the real way, if you ever end up at a back to back repeat board state you can get a slow play warning.

[Thestatusquo]

You, can, however, shortcut melira vicera seer scrys.

[kdowns]

PV, I know the houston area actually really loves their Jeskai and Abzan, so I expect to see a lot of that. I am actually playing Jeskai or RDW myself for the tournament.

[PeregrineV]

PV, I know the houston area actually really loves their Jeskai and Abzan, so I expect to see a lot of that. I am actually playing Jeskai or RDW myself for the tournament.

I found an Azban $$$ deck and a budget Azban version, but need to go through all my standard cards and see what really pops up.

[Thestatusquo]

If the budget version does not play siege rhino then its not worth playing fyi.

That is THE card in the deck.

[bv310]

Man, Siege Rhino is such a good card. I'm running it in Modern Angel Pod right now and it's been a ton of value. Still can't decide if it's right to maindeck, but I really like it.

This is what I'm sporting online and probably looking to start piecing together in paper:
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Wall of Roots
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Spellskite
3 Voice of Resurgence
1 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sin Collector
1 Orzhov Pontiff
4 Kitchen Finks
1 Spike Feeder
1 Restoration Angel
1 Entomber Exarch
1 Siege Rhino
1 Reveillark
1 Archangel of Thune
1 Shriekmaw

3 Abrupt Decay
4 Birthing Pod
2 Chord of Calling

3 Gavony Township
3 Razorverge Thicket
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Godless Shrine
1 Temple Garden
2 Overgrown Tomb
4 Windswept Heath
3 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Snow-Covered Swamp

Sideboard:
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Path to Exile
3 Thoughtseize
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
2 Kor Firewalker
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Orzhov Pontiff

[InflatablePie]

re:shortcutting

you could also Bolt a planeswalker, and if your opponent has any response (like giving it pro-red or something) you could 'Bolt them' instead, since the shortcut is Bolt -> pass -> resolves -> redirect damage.

at least I think that's right.

[Maestro]

(I'm reading this thread and feeling like I have no idea how to play Magic anymore...)

[Klazam]

(Dont worry m, this is delving in arcane ruleslawyery that shouldnt come up that often- it only came up twice for me in what, 12 years that i been playing this game.)

[Sudo_Nym]

Let's ditch the obscure and irrelevant rules talk and answer a burning question instead: how does Humility interact with Opalescence?

[Klazam]

that is what my wonderful friend named Google is for.

not even gonna try

[chamber]

Depends on the order they were played in.