Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[acryon]

No, I just dislike being townread because scum buddy me all of the time. Therefore when someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons.

Can you point me to games where you have shown a similar focus on individuals that are town-reading you where you were town?

[Wisdom]

Doing that may make it harder for the scum to find the masons, but it also makes it harder for the town to find scum, and the latter is much more important than the former.

How? Do townies scumhunt based on who they think is a mason? That's plain silly.

[Mathdino]

Doing that may make it harder for the scum to find the masons, but it also makes it harder for the town to find scum, and the latter is much more important than the former.

How? Do townies scumhunt based on who they think is a mason? That's plain silly.

Uh...

*raises hand*

[Wisdom]

Behaviour A is something that most of the time only masons will do.
Thus, masons are capable of avoiding behaviour A.
This means that doing the opposite of A does not necessarily make someone a mason.
Well guess what.
Masons are still pretty much the only instances of behaviour A.
You don't need to play dumb anymore.

That doesn't mean that masons have to be sitting ducks. Anything that might confuse scum is useful.

Your logic disturb me.

No they don't HAVE to be.

But sometimes they ARE. If they display behaviour A, well, ya know what they say...

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and sits like a duck...

I agree, how is that relevant? The original point was whether masons muddying the waters is plausible or not. And I'm saying it is, because masons don't have to sit there and just exhibit behavior A.

[Mathdino]

It's relevant because you're going with the 'too townish to be town' argument for all of your scumreads. Like seriously, all of them.

[Wisdom]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You never asked me why I townread you for literally all of D1.

Didn't we already go over this? How is that relevant?

[acryon]

Doing that may make it harder for the scum to find the masons, but it also makes it harder for the town to find scum, and the latter is much more important than the former.

How? Do townies scumhunt based on who they think is a mason? That's plain silly.

What? No, but they scumhunt based on what other people are saying as well. If mason A votes for mason B, then that might convince townie A to look at mason B as scummy because of their reasons for being voted by A or even suspect A for their lack of reasons on B.

[acryon]

And they certainly try to avoid scumhunting those they may think are masons.

[Wisdom]

No, I just dislike being townread because scum buddy me all of the time. Therefore when someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons.

Can you point me to games where you have shown a similar focus on individuals that are town-reading you where you were town?

Any game you look at, that's how I react to being townread
I may grab specifics later, but I don't see the point.

[Mathdino]

No, I just dislike being townread

because scum buddy me all of the time. Therefore

when someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons

.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You never asked me why I townread you for literally all of D1.

Didn't we already go over this?

How is that relevant?

lol'd

[Wisdom]

Doing that may make it harder for the scum to find the masons, but it also makes it harder for the town to find scum, and the latter is much more important than the former.

How? Do townies scumhunt based on who they think is a mason? That's plain silly.

Uh...

*raises hand*

Well, I don't. Let masons do their thing and hide and scumhunt normally.

[acryon]

No, I just dislike being townread because scum buddy me all of the time. Therefore when someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons.

Can you point me to games where you have shown a similar focus on individuals that are town-reading you where you were town?

Any game you look at, that's how I react to being townread
I may grab specifics later, but I don't see the point.

The point is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that the vigor with which you were requesting explanations for those town-reading you would come from town. Specific games pointing to you doing the same elsewhere would certainly help me fight that disbelief.

[Wisdom]

It's relevant because you're going with the 'too townish to be town' argument for all of your scumreads. Like seriously, all of them.

Umm.. no? I don't think Mala(except maybe her latter posts) or N_M look town, and I don't think anyone actually does. You're just speculating they're masons, that's different than thinking they are individually town.

[Wisdom]

Doing that may make it harder for the scum to find the masons, but it also makes it harder for the town to find scum, and the latter is much more important than the former.

How? Do townies scumhunt based on who they think is a mason? That's plain silly.

What? No, but they scumhunt based on what other people are saying as well. If mason A votes for mason B, then that might convince townie A to look at mason B as scummy because of their reasons for being voted by A or even suspect A for their lack of reasons on B.

Well yeah, that's why they will most likely not seriously push their partners or make cases on them. But this doesn't mean that some mild votes between them can't happen, especially early game like the point here was.

[Mathdino]

Pretty sure by now that Wisdom knows he'll get lynched and is drawing the discussion out for the benefit of the last scum member. No daytalk, right?

[Wisdom]

No, I just dislike being townread

because scum buddy me all of the time. Therefore

when someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons

.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You never asked me why I townread you for literally all of D1.

Didn't we already go over this?

How is that relevant?

lol'd

Yeah and like I said, I was pretty sure you were town so you townreading me didn't give any pings.

[Mathdino]

Hey guys, Wisdom's at L-1. I want to wait until everyone's read the thread and see who objects to this lynch before a hammer.

[acryon]

Pretty sure by now that Wisdom knows he'll get lynched and is drawing the discussion out for the benefit of the last scum member. No daytalk, right?

Nope.

Mafia Goon
Welcome: You are a Member of the mafia, your team is compiled of [Retracted]. The three of you have infiltrated the town and want to take over.

Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [Retracted].
Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill.
Win condition:
You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

[Wisdom]

No, I just dislike being townread because scum buddy me all of the time. Therefore when someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons.

Can you point me to games where you have shown a similar focus on individuals that are town-reading you where you were town?

Any game you look at, that's how I react to being townread
I may grab specifics later, but I don't see the point.

The point is that I find it somewhat hard to believe that the vigor with which you were requesting explanations for those town-reading you would come from town. Specific games pointing to you doing the same elsewhere would certainly help me fight that disbelief.

alright, will do that later

[acryon]

I didn't realize it was L-1. I'm not interested in a quick-hammer like last time, so I'm going to UNVOTE: for now.

[Wisdom]

Pretty sure by now that Wisdom knows he'll get lynched and is drawing the discussion out for the benefit of the last scum member. No daytalk, right?

dat tunnel
but yeah I don't really care if I get lynched, especially since one scum is already down. It's just funny watching you tunnel based on something that doesn't even make sense for scum to do.

[Wisdom]

So Mathdino, please respond to my 1491 since bork apparenly isn't doing it

[Wisdom]

-1084 is super weird. “The remaining scum is mala and most likely acryon”. What?? He had never even really mentioned me before that point and now I am most likely scum?

I explained this. Mala was deadset on you being scum on D1 and suddenly she forgot all about that D2. It pinged because I've seen scum doing this lots of times, conveniently forgetting about the prior scumreads on their partners. Plus I was really unsure on you at the time so you being the third scum looked likely.

[Wisdom]

And that's all I feel needed responding to from your case. The rest is "weird/could be town but makes sense as scum too/dont understand his playstyle" points that scream confbias.

[acryon]

-1084 is super weird. “The remaining scum is mala and most likely acryon”. What?? He had never even really mentioned me before that point and now I am most likely scum?

I explained this. Mala was deadset on you being scum on D1 and suddenly she forgot all about that D2. It pinged because I've seen scum doing this lots of times, conveniently forgetting about the prior scumreads on their partners. Plus I was really unsure on you at the time so you being the third scum looked likely.

Yeah, but it definitely felt very odd anyway. Putting me as the third scum based on a small associative tell pre-flip rather than on someone else based on their scummy actions still seems wrong.