Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[borkjerfkin]

Just say my case is shit, tell me to unvote and we can move on. It frustrates me that you've outed the mason team.

Well obviously I did it for a reason and that reason is people weren't getting the day play right.

You force Mala into a claim and it's not hard to infer the rest of the team, lol. We got lucky with the TTH kill.

[blindmewithscience]

Wait, so if you 3 are the masons, could someone explain the "specific setup-related thing" that happened starting with post 666? I thought that that was mason-related but it doesn't seem to be...

[borkjerfkin]

I think TTH had convinced herself Wisdom was a mason.

[borkjerfkin]

677

he just kinda runs with it. I'd have tried a subtle 'you are on the wrong track' nudge if I were a VT, especially if I townread TTH.

[borkjerfkin]

I think I get it. Wow, lol.

unvote

But anyway, this post.

This is newbie I think earnestly thinking Wisdom is in fact a mason. This puts them pretty solidly not on a team together. Either newbie's scum who doesn't know what wisdom is, or newbie's town that doesn't know what wisdom is.

[Newbie]

^
Yeah. That's why I'm completely confused. Nobody counterclaimed Wisdom when he showed that he understood what TTH was talking about, so I figured TTH was probably right about Wisdom as a mason. If he knew he wasn't a mason, I wonder he didn't deny it...

vote: Wisdom

Also, that hint Malakittens left during twilight completely went over my head.

[borkjerfkin]

^
Yeah. That's why I'm completely confused. Nobody counterclaimed Wisdom when he showed that he understood what TTH was talking about, so I figured TTH was probably right about Wisdom as a mason. If he knew he wasn't a mason, I wonder he didn't deny it...

vote: Wisdom

Also, that hint Malakittens left during twilight completely went over my head.

I guess I'm only confused by what made you decide you were wrong about Wisdom being a mason on D1? Can you show me?

[Newbie]

^
Yeah. That's why I'm completely confused. Nobody counterclaimed Wisdom when he showed that he understood what TTH was talking about, so I figured TTH was probably right about Wisdom as a mason. If he knew he wasn't a mason, I wonder he didn't deny it...

vote: Wisdom

Also, that hint Malakittens left during twilight completely went over my head.

I guess I'm only confused by what made you decide you were wrong about Wisdom being a mason on D1? Can you show me?

Because TTH said she's rethinking her case on Wisdom being town, and he didn't even say anything about it. That's when it hit me that oh shi..it was a misunderstanding.

[Newbie]

This is the post.

After some thought, I'm reversing my opinion on Wisdom again. I'll talk more about it and other things in a couple hours when I have the chance.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

We know the mason team. I'll wait for the confirmation.
I completely agree with Bork's decision to out the masons.

I didn't actually think wisdom was a mason, but I did want to protect him from being mislynched. I think this confirms my suspicion on newbie and acyron.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Unless people still think me and riddleton hardbussed.

[borkjerfkin]

I think you're actually misinterpreting that post (See 873 that explains what's actually happening there) but honestly that's what I thought too before I reread it a few times.

p-edit: @newbie

[borkjerfkin]

I didn't actually think wisdom was a mason, but I did want to protect him from being mislynched. I think this confirms my suspicion on newbie and acyron.

Why is wisdom town? I really don't see where you're coming from here.

[borkjerfkin]

Unless people still think me and riddleton hardbussed.

It happens all the time, and even moreso in 3+ scumteam games. Please don't count it out just because it doesn't sound like something people would do. I have empirical evidence that says otherwise.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Anyone who has seen wguert's play knows he's town.
There are several possibilities now...

- Riddleton hardbussed VDA
- Mathdino or Acyron tried to gain traction on the VDA lynch (maybe both)
- Newbie softbussed VDA
- Newbie Softbussed VDA and one other person tried to gain traction

There's also the possibility that wisdom is scum, but I highly doubt it.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Why is wisdom town? I really don't see where you're coming from here

Mafia's more of a feeling than an exact science. My gut has been right most of the time, and I see no reason to think otherwise ATP.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I think riddleton is town, and newbie is town just a little more than MD and Acyron.
I'm good lynching any of them just to raise the probability of hitting scum.

[Riddleton]

huh?

you want to lynch town to make it more likely to lynch scum?

[Riddleton]

are you VI or scum, constantine?

[Newbie]

I think you're actually misinterpreting that post (See 873 that explains what's actually happening there) but honestly that's what I thought too before I reread it a few times.

p-edit: @newbie

Yeah...I thought post 873 was explaining why she went back to her original thought, lol.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Riddleton - Yes, I'm pretty certain the scum team is among you, and that gives a solid probability at hitting a second scum target.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

^If I'm doing my math right. I also accept that I'm not always right, so that, combined with the probability I just mentioned, makes me want to lynch any of the 4 of you.

[Riddleton]

I think riddleton is town

], and newbie is town just a little more than MD and Acyron.
I'm good lynching any of them just to raise the probability of hitting scum.

@Riddleton -

Yes, I'm pretty certain the scum team is among you

, and that gives a solid probability at hitting a second scum target.

what?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

The scum team, by pure reason, is likely among the four possibilities I presented. That consists of you, newbie, mathdino, and acyron.

[blindmewithscience]

Constantine, you legit make no sense. If you think Riddleton is town, then HE SHOULD NOT BE IN YOUR LYNCH POOL AT ALL. Then, the chance of hitting scum in YOUR REMAINING LYNCHPOOL goes UP. That's how that should work. Then you're left with wanting to lynch Math, Newbie, and Acryon if I'm reading your posts correctly?
And what specifically makes Wisdom town? Now don't say gut; Mafia's not a feeling game. It's about making evidence and cases, and gut isn't a valid reason to decide who or who not to lynch.

Hmm... speaking of wisdom... I'm remembering him saying that he caught Mala's softclaim during D1 twilight. What made his malapush valid then? (I'm going to make sure that Wisdom did actually say that, just to make sure I'm not messing poeple up.