Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[Mathdino]

You don't think Constantine tried to bus Victor and acryon to implicate me?

I still kinda like that theory in absence of Wisdom/Constantine and Constantine/Riddleton being a possibility.

[Wisdom]

Maybe, but that was silly if that's the case, as you were pretty town and not really pushable

[Mathdino]

I was also pretty not-mason, so I could see why they'd want to avoid NKing me.

Here's the thing. Constantine hasn't dropped his scumread on acryon

all game

. acryon is the ONLY one other than Victor that he hasn't even considered being town. He at least changed me to a slighter scumread, dropped his Riddleton/SilverWolf stuff, etc etc.

Constantine ALWAYS seems a bit too sure, but he seems a bit too too sure on acryon.

[Wisdom]

But don't really think it's acryon. His case and general attitude on me feels tunnely town. I expect scum to either be fairly neutral or WK me, in order to extract max cred with my flip. Which is why blindmewithscience and especially Constantine fit.

[Mathdino]

Hmm, let's look at the interactions between Victor, BMWS, and Constantine real quick. Just for the record guys, I'm treating Wisdom like a dead townie for now because we might as well get as much as we can just in case we're wrong.

Victor's first reference to BMWS. "Blindmewithscience is sitting back too much with this post. Especially considering it's his only one outside of rvs. I still like my vote on Wguerts, but I really wish I had a second one for blindmewithscience."

This is BMWS's first response to Victor. BMWS seems to have pretty much missed the whole early Victor FoS wagon; by the time he's playing the game, wgeurts is going full jester play (jk ofc).

356, I mentioned this earlier. Victor links up wgeurts, a townie, with BMWS. He has, of course, already done this with Wisdom and SilverWolf, thus generating Mala's lynchpool of {Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, wgeurts}.

"I don't like you, Constantine"] -

everyone in this game

BMWS. He basically reacts to everything Const's said up to that point with total indignation, a hard vote, but the one that really makes me question that this is a bus is pressuring Constantine for his meta. Why would BMWS want that? Would he ask that just for towncred (which he didn't really need)?

Here BMWS gives a summary of this thoughts on Constantine, Riddleton, and the Victor case. His thoughts on Constantine consist of similar indignation, and he criticises Riddleton for not fully responding to my and Wisdom's thoughts on the Victor case. He seems to be a little fencesitty on the Riddleton thing, I can see him wanting to go for that instead of a scumpartner at this point.

But this post is what seals BMWS-town for me, tbh. He continues to question Constantine for meta saying he'd "like to read it during night phase". He does comment on how the Riddleton wagon could be done by the deadline, but that doesn't really read scum for me.

890 gives another summary of the Constantine and Victor wagons, pretty much throwing out the possibility of a Riddleton lynch. He does the same thing Wisdom did, refusing to participate in the Victor wagon, instead opting for Constantine. That's what's confusing. And then here he literally says "THe things is, you voted way too early... No defense from victor, and we were trying to go for a Constantine lynch." Now, I could probably confbias myself into thinking that statement is scummy ("we were trying to go for a different wagon") but scummy with Constantine as scum? No way. Seems completely arbitrary that he'd decide to draw that line in the sand between his scum partners.

BMWS D2 continues to show disappointment with everything Constantine says. No real change. I don't think Constantine's ever said BMWS's name, correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not seeing it. What do you see?

[Mathdino]

"I don't like you, Constantine" -

everyone in this game

BMWS. He basically reacts to everything Const's said up to that point with total indignation, a hard vote, but the one that really makes me question that this is a bus is pressuring Constantine for his meta. Why would BMWS want that? Would he ask that just for towncred (which he didn't really need)?

Here BMWS gives a summary of this thoughts on Constantine, Riddleton, and the Victor case. His thoughts on Constantine consist of similar indignation, and he criticises Riddleton for not fully responding to my and Wisdom's thoughts on the Victor case. He seems to be a little fencesitty on the Riddleton thing, I can see him wanting to go for that instead of a scumpartner at this point.

FTFMe.

[Wisdom]

Since you like doing that stuff, can you do the same for riddle/blindmewithscience?

[Mathdino]

For sure, hang on.

[wgeurts]

Ok, I'm caught up. Apparently people think not_mafia, mala and bork are mason and Wisdom disagrees that this means nothing. Mathdino is tunnelling wisdom because all the "masons" are wisdom's scum reads. I believe (we've killed one scum already) that a wisdom flip would provide a lot of information. It may even be enough to change a Math Dino town read as wisdom has gotten himself entangled with so many people. I'm making this at school so once I'm home I'll make a larger post but for the mean while:
VOTE: WisdomVOTE:
I'd like you to claim, that would also provide a lot of info.

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Wisdom
Stupid iPod typo, your now L1 or L2, claim.

[Wisdom]

How would that provide info? The masons are out already, so guess what else I could be

[Wisdom]

Also you didn't read properly. People don't just think those are the masons. Bork claimed they are the masons.

[wgeurts]

I'm not, I don't believe the masons are 100% sure masons.
Are you a mason?
Then claim now.

[Wisdom]

No, I'm a VT. Why would you not believe the claimed masons?

[wgeurts]

I'm leaning to believing however I won't hesitate for that to change. I'm a VT if you're looking for that btw.

[Mathdino]

DUDE THAT WAS A HAMMER
UNVOTE: Wisdom

[Mathdino]

FFS.

Okay, Constantine or Riddleton goes down tomorrow. Constantine for pissing me off, Riddleton for probably being the actual scum. BMWS or acryon is partner.

[wgeurts]

DUDE THAT WAS A HAMMER
UNVOTE: Wisdom

?

[Mathdino]

MOD STUFF

Here's some expensive wine for saulres. Thanks for doing those VC's. Things were hectic while I was away.

VOTE COUNT!!!!

Wisdom- malakittens, Not_Mafia, borkjerfkin, Newbie
borkjerkfin-
wgeurts-
St. Constantine The Hermit- Riddleton
Newbie-
Malakittens- wgeurts
Riddleton- St. Constantine
Not_Mafia-Wisdom
Mathdino-
blindmewithscience-
acryon-

not voting- blindmewithscience, acryon, Mathdino

Riddleton is V/LA until 11/5/2014
malakittens is V/LA until 11/11/2014
Looking for a replacement for Not_Mafia


With 11 Alive it's 6 to lynch.
(expired on 2014-11-14 21:00:00)


Wow it really did take everyone forever to get ready for Brunch!!! It took so long to get ready that Brunch is no longer being served!!! Wow what chaos, what disarray! You know what? It was probably due to the enemies. Now, the big question is...should you guys just have lunch or move on to Dance Dance Revolution...

UNVOTE:

VOTE: constantine

Okay.

VOTE: Wisdom

Also, just realised,

@Mala

, don't answer that question I asked you about who to lynch if Wisdom flips town. Just discuss in the QT and one of you can post what the dead mason thought.

VOTE: Wisdom
Stupid iPod typo, your now L1 or L2, claim.

Nice going, man.

Eh, regardless, not like we're gonna lose any opinions tonight. Wisdom, I'll try to look through Riddleton/BMWS ASAP. Since you already got lynched, want to provide that case now?

[Mathdino]

D1: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE DEADLINE WAS HALF A DAY AWAY

D2: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE GUY WASN'T AT L-3

D3: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE GUY WAS TOWN
...
D5: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I'M SCUM

^Predicted trajectory of game.

[wgeurts]

Crap, missed your revote.

[wgeurts]

D1: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE DEADLINE WAS HALF A DAY AWAY

D2: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE GUY WASN'T AT L-3

D3: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE GUY WAS TOWN
...
D5: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I'M SCUM

^Predicted trajectory of game.

Hopefully, not.

[Mathdino]

wgeurts, all your suspects are masons or dead.

You need to look through Riddleton, Constantine, and Victor. One of the former two is getting lynched tomorrow. I'm saying you should do this now because I really want Wisdom's input on this.

[Mathdino]

This would be so hilarious if Wisdom was actually scum and didn't notice that he was hammered. Fair possibility, actually xD

[Wisdom]

Nah I noticed, don't care as I said
Good luck