Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

ISO · Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:25 am

In post 1771, Mathdino wrote:I'd have killed Mala, actually. Jussayin.

*shrug*

I was clearly the more active player at that point in the game, is my point.

Mathdino · Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:27 am

Oh wait never mind Riddleton was at L-2. Now L-1. One more to win.

@Bork: Alright, fair enough. We'll go over acryon vs Constantine tomorrow if we don't win, methinks.

ISO · Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:29 am

I'm not hammering. Someone else can and I won't be put off but I'm leaving lines of discussion open as long as possible.

acryon · Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:30 am

I would like to say that I always have a firm grasp and who is who and what is what in games, but I don't, especially with more experienced online players. It was hard to read both Victor and Wisdom to me this game. Victor was acting quite different from the game I played with him where he was scum, and Wisdom was making both cases I agreed with and those that I didn't. It's usually a lot easier to get a good read on someone if they seem really right or really wrong, but those in the middle I almost always defend, because someone needs to play devil's advocate. When the game is less lopsided than it is now, heavily questioning our cases and lynches is a lot more important.

acryon · Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:31 am

Regarding the suspicion on me, I would much rather not be left in the grey. So I am 100% for clearing me tomorrow so we don't make LyLo harder than it needs to be if we somehow get there.

ISO · Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:32 am

In post 1778, acryon wrote:but those in the middle I almost always defend, because someone needs to play devil's advocate.

That's fair. I am just a bit wary when you're doing that until it looks like Wisdom's house of cards is about to come crashing down, then you post about him and just about everything you talk about points to him being scum.

acryon · Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:33 am

In post 1780, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 1778, acryon wrote:but those in the middle I almost always defend, because someone needs to play devil's advocate.

That's fair. I am just a bit wary when you're doing that until it looks like Wisdom's house of cards is about to come crashing down, then you post about him and just about everything you talk about points to him being scum.

I have no reason to argue that. It's usually safe to be suspicious of those that jump on the middle of a wagon, contrary to what Constantine might advocate.

Mathdino · Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:35 am

But...

That would mean Constantine would be wrong...

What are you saying, acryon!?

VOTE: acryon
UNVOTE: acryon
VOTE: Riddleton

ISO · Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:36 am

In post 1779, acryon wrote:Regarding the suspicion on me, I would much rather not be left in the grey. So I am 100% for clearing me tomorrow

You know, considering you're the third person (Riddle, Math, you) to advocate a pre-lylo lynch of yourselves:

This is not how town wins games. Town wins games by getting other townies to

not

lynch them. Just scumhunt and be town if you're town and trust the other town to pick up on that.

I mean, geez. I have literally never once told town 'lynch me on day X because of paranoia' when I'm town. I've done it as scum.

acryon · Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:37 am

I am not advocating a pre-lylo lynch of myself at all. I said we should

clear

me, not kill me!

ISO · Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:37 am

In post 1782, Mathdino wrote:That would mean Constantine would be wrong...

I think the ship has sailed on that already

acryon · Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:38 am

So if suspicion of me is clouding the picture of who is actually scum, I want to clear it just like I do suspicion on anyone I think is town.

ISO · Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:38 am

In post 1784, acryon wrote:I am not advocating a pre-lylo lynch of myself at all. I said we should
clear
me, not kill me!

I guess I usually see this in the context of 'use an investigative role on me' so I don't know what you mean then

p-edit: oh

acryon · Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:39 am

Ahhh, no not at all. That may be my fault. I just meant clear through discussion/dissection.

ISO · Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:39 am

There's no reason that can't happen today, considering all tomorrow is going to be if you're wrong is the same group sans mala or me

acryon · Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:40 am

That's true, but I also think the benefit of the knowledge of Riddleton's alignment may outweigh the benefit of having both conf-town alive.

ISO · Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:41 am

Like I know you guys are super excited about winning and shit. I am too.

but that is predicated on you being correct, so let's cover those bases

Mathdino · Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:41 am

In post 1783, borkjerfkin wrote:You know, considering you're the third person (Riddle, Math, you) to advocate a pre-lylo lynch of yourselves:

This is not how town wins games. Town wins games by getting other townies to
not
lynch them. Just scumhunt and be town if you're town and trust the other town to pick up on that.

I mean, geez. I have literally never once told town 'lynch me on day X because of paranoia' when I'm town. I've done it as scum.

I'm partially saying that to prove how sure I am of Constantine/Riddleton, and also to allay any suspicions that I might be scum just lining up lynches of Const, Riddle, and acryon. Kind of an in-game bet, if you will.

I honestly don't really care how many mislynches we get after this one as long as we have a confirmed townie in LyLo. Right now I'm trying to rush a perfect town victory (kinda wanna get this game over with to put in my meta and start a new one). I understand if you're a bit put off by that, haha.

Edit: mehhhhh

ISO · Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:42 am

Most damning thing in Riddleton's ISO is definitely his lack of interaction with Wisdom. That actually looks super bad.

ISO · Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:42 am

In post 1792, Mathdino wrote:Right now I'm trying to rush a perfect town victory (kinda wanna get this game over with to put in my meta and start a new one). I understand if you're a bit put off by that, haha.

Nah it actually reads town

ISO · Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:43 am

and I'm still gonna fight people tooth and nail on BMWS I think that slot is town

acryon · Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:43 am

And that's sort of what I mean. I think there is close to 100% chance that one of Riddleton/Constantine is the final scum. I think we get far more info from a Riddleton flip, however.

acryon · Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:44 am

I'm definitely leaning town on bork, but I'm not willing to bet on it.

ISO · Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:44 am

In post 1587, Riddleton wrote:Not interested in the wisdom wagon.

This is literally the one time Riddleton even comes close to having a read on Wisdom

Mathdino · Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:44 am

SilverWolf also didn't interact with Wisdom at all until I wrote up a case and

forced everyone else to comment

(that's why I canvas, guys). Wisdom then commented and SW went batshit on Wisdom while completely ignoring me until BMWS and I were like "uh, wtf man".

Edit: Completely agree on BMWS. His slot's been reading town all game, none of his actions make sense under scum standpoint, and I still think his asking questions about TTH and Newbie confirms him 99%.