Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

Mathdino · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:47 am

Guys, if the death of fferyllt points straight to Grib/Pine getting lynched, wouldn't killing fferyllt be a dumbass move?

Beck · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:52 am

ok

Beck

- FinnLaw, BlueBloodedToffee,

Majiffy

, Mathdino (L-1) - At least 1 scum out of these 3

Grib-

Scripten

Pine, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee- Grib, Mathdino,

Beck, Scripten

(L-1)

Majiffy- insanity018

, Mathdino, Grib,

Beck

(L-1)

Majiffy

- insanity018, Grib,

Scripten,Beck, Majiffy

(Lynched) - Jiffy hammering himself really sucks and stole information from us.

I think scum is somewhere in BBT/Grib/Math but I don't want to rule out Pine because of his strong defense of me all game. It definitely rubs me wrong and don't want to rule out ffery either. That's too many people

Beck · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:53 am

In post 1225, Mathdino wrote:Guys, if the death of fferyllt points straight to Grib/Pine getting lynched, wouldn't killing fferyllt be a dumbass move?

why would her death point to them?

Mathdino · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:55 am

In post 1224, Beck wrote:Well I was thinking grib/pine last night just off points you made, I had convinced myself that you were absolutely going to die.

Now im less sure of my reads, and my read of you, especially since I remember who you replaced.

I'm going off of this.

If you guys have an issue with fferyllt just because she didn't die, wouldn't that have made not killing fferyllt a good move?

Beck · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:58 am

you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

fferyllt · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:20 am

In post 1224, Beck wrote:Well I was thinking grib/pine last night just off points you made, I had convinced myself that you were absolutely going to die.

Now im less sure of my reads, and my read of you, especially since I remember who you replaced.

heh.

One thing I usually do is iso the player I'm going to replace and see what I think about their alignment. So far, I've never been wrong about a slot I screened and decided to replace. I keep thinking I should look at every iso in my games from that perspective.

fferyllt · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:28 am

Oh btw theory! Scum don't have a roleblocker.

Mathdino · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:36 am

Agreed. I find it really odd how sure Scripten was that he wouldn't get roleblocked though.

fferyllt · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:37 am

In post 732, Grib wrote:Let's see.

Pine (rather dramatically) decided I "lost all towncred" after my unaligned players post instead of just asking me about it, stated that BBT was scummier than me but voted for me anyways because there wasn't any support for the BBT wagon, has continued to push for my lynch while saying absolutely nothing about
my
push on BBT besides whining about how annoying we are (even though the BBT wagon gained plenty of support), and attacked Finn with really shitty reasoning (the reason I believe they're nka).

Pine, explain to me why the above isn't scummy.

In post 813, Grib wrote:Pine, I didn't abandon it. I pushed it to L-1
after
you voted me, in the same post where you complained about the BBT wagon being quiet (496). There was plenty of support for the wagon then. You never stayed on him because you were voting for me. I've been pushing him all game. Implying that I'm only flailing against him now is a flat-out lie.

And why did you even attack Finn before? That's still a question you're avoiding. Be a good little boy and explain yourself.

In post 1182, Grib wrote:Given there's a wagon forming on me and BBT is backing off, I'll say he's town for toDay.

The Lynch Pool to Victory is now [fferyllt, Mathdino, Pine].

I'm curious that your lynch pool to victory doesn't take into account your read about Pine and Finn not being knowingly aligned.

Pine · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:02 am

In post 1229, Beck wrote:you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

Don't we all have to do that to a certain extent? Isn't that kind of the foundational conceit of guessing others' intentions?

Grib · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:09 am

@fferyllt
Oh, right. You replaced Finn. That makes this easier.

VOTE: Mathdino

Scripten · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:11 am

In post 1235, Grib wrote:@fferyllt
Oh, right. You replaced Finn. That makes this easier.

VOTE: Mathdino

...

......

Okay. Welp.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:18 am

VOTE COUNT - 2.1

Grib -

Scripten, Pine

Mathdino-

Grib

Not Voting

fferyllt, BlueBloodedToffee, Grib, , Beck

With 7 alive it takes 4 for a lynch and 3 for no lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-11-21 11:15:00)

Grib · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:19 am

It's solely PoE, at least for now.

fferyllt · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:24 am

In post 1234, Pine wrote:
In post 1229, Beck wrote:you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

Don't we all have to do that to a certain extent? Isn't that kind of the foundational conceit of guessing others' intentions?

Beck could go off his opinion in that manner as a foundational conceit, I guess. It doesn't sound like a foundational conceit for person A to assume that person B's opinion is shared by all/nearly all unless person A also shares that opinion. MathDino said "You guys", which doesn't sound like he shares the opinion. It sounds like Mathdino thought the opinion was close to universal, though?

I'm not sure where I'm going with this.

Grib · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:34 am

The scumteam is Mathdino and one of [Pine, fferyllt]. This is assuming there are no third parties.

I'm town. Scripten is likely town based on his role. Beck is probably town based on D1 and almost getting himself lynched multiple times. BBT is likely town for not capitalizing on my wagon, despite me being on everyone's lynch list -- he was after me all yesterDay, and if he voted me toDay, nobody would even blink. Easy mislynch for him.

And since I believe fferyllt and Pine are nka, that leaves Mathdino. If I'm lynched toDay, focus on those three.

Discuss. I want everyone to be as clear and straightforward as possible toDay.

Mathdino · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:35 am

I'm trying to not base anything off of NKA until I get reads, basically. Then I'll look at NKA to see if it's consistent with said reads.

I was under the impression that there was someone other than Beck who had that opinion. If not, never mind.

Edit: You believe fferyllt and Pine are NKA? I didn't understand you there.

Grib · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:38 am

Not knowingly aligned, sorry.

Beck · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:39 am

In post 1234, Pine wrote:
In post 1229, Beck wrote:you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

Don't we all have to do that to a certain extent? Isn't that kind of the foundational conceit of guessing others' intentions?

my point is that killing FF doesn't automatically mean you and grib

Beck · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:43 am

vote: bbt

fferyllt · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:43 am

In post 1232, Mathdino wrote:Agreed. I find it really odd how sure Scripten was that he wouldn't get roleblocked though.

Scripten I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.

Scripten · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:20 pm

In post 1245, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1232, Mathdino wrote:Agreed. I find it really odd how sure Scripten was that he wouldn't get roleblocked though.

Scripten I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.

Honestly, didn't really factor the idea of being roleblocked into my plans. Suppose it would have ended in my mislynch, but it was a risk I was willing to take.

fferyllt · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:55 pm

In post 1246, Scripten wrote:
In post 1245, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1232, Mathdino wrote:Agreed. I find it really odd how sure Scripten was that he wouldn't get roleblocked though.

Scripten I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.

Honestly, didn't really factor the idea of being roleblocked into my plans. Suppose it would have ended in my mislynch, but it was a risk I was willing to take.

What was the risk?

fferyllt · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:05 pm

Rereading BBT's iso I don't think his read-flip on Grib is any sort of smoking gun. I also think scum-BBT would want to leave town-Grib in his lynch pool.

Scripten · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:37 pm

In post 1247, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1246, Scripten wrote:Honestly, didn't really factor the idea of being roleblocked into my plans. Suppose it would have ended in my mislynch, but it was a risk I was willing to take.

What was the risk?

Well, I could have not claimed and been lynched or risk an attack at night after soft claiming. Being roleblocked would result in a mislynch on D2, I suppose, but that was just trading a mislynch on D1 for one on D2.