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[copper223]

Mafia is a complex game, there is no one truth about how to play and I am willing to accept different ways to go about it if the player using them brings something to the table, that's why I said generally accepted. Why should that mean it's a bullshit argument?

I can see why RVS can be useful, artificial cross votes between mafia buddies, people crumbling when they have to defend their vote... are some favourable occurencies that can happen for town out of an RVS, I do not see what your depressed post about my lameness and the first comment about many here having silly names does to help town.

My vote was random at the start, I just voted for the first comment I saw and found a reasonable way to apply pressure, it's not random anymore because I don't understand what you are doing so I want to hear more from you, what reads, if any, do you have for instance?

As for arguing for something I don't really believe, I really believe RVS is the best way to start a game, but I can easily see myself taking that stance even if I didn't, applying pressure by building cases on people that might be mafia, to look for alignment indicators, is the way I play. Do you think being hypocritical is alignment indicative?

[mykonian]

Mafia is a complex game, there is no one truth about how to play and I am willing to accept different ways to go about it if the player using them brings something to the table, that's why I said generally accepted. Why should that mean it's a bullshit argument?

Because you are using an appeal to common knowledge to avoid having an actual basis for your argument.

[copper223]

I just provided some examples for why I personally think that RVS is good, so even if that was the case in the previous post, now it's not.

[mykonian]

yes, but that's only because I'm pushing you now. You make up the argument as you go. So your vote is more important to you than having a reason for it, it's been build out a long way from where it was already.

Why are you trying to mislynch me?

[copper223]

I am trying to get information from you because what you are giving is meaningless to me, I'm not trying to misslynch you.

[Empking]

Vote Count

Mykonian (2) - Copper223, Whatisswag
Dessew (2) - Flubbernugget, Anatole Kuragin
Major Minor (1) - CultivationTheory
Natirasha (1) - Natirasha

Not Voting: mykonian, FourTrouble, Dessew, JKLM, comradekafka, Major Minor, Boonskiies
(expired on 2014-11-16 18:46:26)

[mykonian]

Doesn't seem like you are the one trying to get information. Somehow you are insistent on voting me, but you don't know why, since your reasons keep changing with every post.

[copper223]

I already told you why I'm voting for you,

1. I read your post and RVSed you, the reason I gave was as good as any, but in this case I actually believed it was a genuine reason, recongnizing it is something I in particular like and not something everybody has to approve of I don't however see what you did as particularly alignment indicative per se.

2. Having read your answers and follow up comments I find that you are either dodging direct questions, like what your reads are or if you find something about my play scummy or not, or not giving alignment indicative statements, so I think you are a fine slot to pressure.

[mykonian]

What do you mean, pressure. That's not how it works. I invited someone to vote me, you did, you now have tried to explain your vote a couple of times and still don't get that the only reason you are voting me is because I'm stroking against your grain. There's nothing particulary scummy about calling nonparticular names stupid, RVS is there to spawn discussion, that goal was made, I'd say, so all that's really left is that you were annoyed about someone not following your personal view of how a game should go.

So now I get to figure out if you simply were clueless or because you think it's a good idea to lock in and argue (and are scum consequently). What side are you leaning?

[mykonian]

Actually, don't really need that answer, do I. It's as good as I'm going to get page 3.

vote copper

Basically for building out the case as he went. Would be a little more damning if I knew the guy better, would also be a little more damning if it wasn't in the first 3 pages.

[copper223]

You don't get to decide how it works, in the same way as I can't force you to answer my questions. Since you are not answering me I'm going to start doing the same thing, why is my view on you important for your decision?

[mykonian]

Nah, I don't. On the other hand, I have a vague clue what is going to happen when I make a post like that. It has nothing to do with a decision, games go this way. 95% of the games I don't make a vote in the first post. Few people are so mindlessly interested in it though, which is a curiosity.

Also, I more or less gave you the option between clueless or scum, and that's always a fun way to return the case to the player

[copper223]

fair enough, this is the first semi-informative post I got from you.

[mykonian]

Dude. It's been there all the time.

Hence, clueless or scum, what's it going to be?

[copper223]

Neither, probably town for using it as a scum-trap/discussion generator, but I need to meta you to see if you use it as scum as well.

[copper223]

VOTE: flubber
I don't like you joining the wagon and you are lurking.

[Boonskiies]

That's Flubber for you. And when he gets here, he's going to hound me.

[mykonian]

well, he's scum this game actually. So lets lynch him and deal with it.

vote flubber

[Boonskiies]

To vote or not to vote, that is the question. Whether 'this Flubber in the mind to suffer...

[Flubbernugget]

Boonskiies softing a cc isn't hounding you so calm your tits.

Copper is town. Even if he is making massive contradictions they're all related to game theory which should be a null tell. Especially with a new guy.

Myko idk. Though I'd like to know why he thinks I'm scum.

The guy who I'm voting for who's name I can't remember and can't be assed to flip a page to remember is town.

UNVOTE:

[Dessew]

I hoped there'd be something catching my attention but eh.

@Swag: why exactly are Boonskiies and I improbable to be buddies?

@myko: frankly, I don't really get your exchange with copper, that why you felt a need for it. Did you get what you wanted? (ie.: was it successful whatever your goal was?)

[mykonian]

eh, not really. It didn't really spread which is a shame.

Why aren't you voting flubber with me? He's scum. Anyone can see that.

[Whatisswag]

To me, the above post looks like he wants to redirect the attention on him. Keeping a vote on him now.

To me the action of copper vote changing so fast is a little weird

[mykonian]

you are weird.

why no flubber vote?

[Boonskiies]

It's really not weird that he changed his vote so fast. We're 3 pages in.

Also, why couldn't Dessew and I be scum together? I'd love to bus him so hard.