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Post Post #1900 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:12 pm

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In post 1899, Mathdino wrote:So just to be clear, you find my jumping on bad lynches outweighed by the more townish things I've done? Because your post also doesn't illustrate why BMWS is jumping on easy lynches and I'm just misguided.


Seriously? The fact that your posts have way more substance than bmws's, and you actually searched up Riddleton's meta in terms of him voting his scum partners all come off as genuine town to me and tip the scales in your favor.
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Post Post #1901 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:13 pm

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Hmm, alright.

Have you looked over acryon yet? Decided why it's not him?
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Post Post #1902 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:22 pm

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In post 1901, Mathdino wrote:Hmm, alright.

Have you looked over acryon yet?
Decided why it's not him?


Yes I did. He practically did some of the same things bmws did (stay off the Wisdom and VD lynch). The only difference is that bmws was more sneakier with his whereas acryon hard defended VD and Wisdom.
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Post Post #1903 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:39 pm

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Newbie/acryon/bmws: want reasons for your mathdino townreads since you all seem to have one.
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Post Post #1904 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:43 pm

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^This.

I was just about to say that the fact that everyone is townreading me is giving me the same pause that bork is getting from even being alive.
One of them knows I'm not an easy target.
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Post Post #1905 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:47 pm

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Nothing about this game is clicking right now.
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Post Post #1906 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:49 pm

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It's creepy, isn't it?

I'm going to go look over Newbie's meta.
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Post Post #1907 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:52 pm

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His posts contain great substance. When he's voting someone, he backs his reasons up, also the fact that he went through the trouble to find Riddleton's scum meta. It's the complete opposite of VD and Wisdom.
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Post Post #1908 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:55 pm

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And despite that effort has managed to be consistently wrong.
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Post Post #1909 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:01 pm

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It's mafia. That's inevitable. You take a shot in the dark and put effort into cases. It doesn't change the fact that his actions seemed genuine, especially compared to other players in the game.
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Post Post #1910 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:01 pm

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I fully admit to being a not-so-great scumhunter. Your 'consistently wrong' thing is reminding me of how according to mastin, her scumtells are literally just being wrong about the game. Unfortunately, I'm not as good as her.

Check Stack The Deck and Thesp's game. In neither was I on a scum lynch, and I'd even hard defended scum on multiple occasions.
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Post Post #1911 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:07 pm

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bork, question.

Wouldn't optimal play for me as scum here be instead of writing up a case on BMWS that mostly comes to the conclusion of null-town, write a case on him showing he's scum, be wrong about that, kill you, and enter LyLo with acryon and Newbie fighting each other?

Wouldn't that have been easier?
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Post Post #1912 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:09 pm

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Ask wisdom how well the "if I were scum I'd do X" argument went
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Post Post #1913 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:14 pm

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Ah, difference. Wisdom was trying to cover his ass after he made a mistake. He did one careless thing that we saw through. The answer to his 'why would I do that' question was really just 'you were being dumb'.

I'm asking you what optimal play would be in my position, being townread by everyone except you. I spent 20 mins writing up that case on BMWS. That was a conscious and thought-out decision, I think that's clear regardless of my alignment.

Why would I do that, going against both acryon and Newbie (hence drawing out the day), instead of going along with it and killing you for an easy LyLo?
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Post Post #1914 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:29 pm

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If you thought you'd get flak for it? Of course you would.

Nothing else to say right now. Will reread later.
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Post Post #1915 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:37 pm

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But I wouldn't.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if I were scum, I'd have this game in the
bag
, and I'm not the type to draw things out unnecessarily.

It's kind of like how you know someone is town in LyLo by the fact that they don't hammer. A bit premature, I know, but still. Doing what I'm doing now would be against my wincon.

Newbie's town meta isn't interesting. She replaced in late and she was an inno child so the play would be fairly different.
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Post Post #1916 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:55 pm

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I don't have the capacity for this tonight

Mod: can we have the locked thread time back?


I have a feeling I'm gonna need it all.

Also can we not keep BMWS at L-1? Thanks
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Post Post #1917 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:57 pm

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2nded
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I'm not hammering BMWS though, don't worry. I honestly doubt I'm going to be voting him today; this game doesn't make sense with him as scum.
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Post Post #1918 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:27 pm

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With 5 Alive it's 3 to lynch.

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Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...

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Post Post #1919 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:52 am

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In post 1887, Newbie wrote:
In post 1878, acryon wrote:Here is what I have on Newbie:
If Newbie liked the post, then why would the vote move back to Wisdom based on that conclusion of mine? Then, after wguerts posts, the vote is removed once again.


Just because I didn't agree with some things in the post doesn't mean I didn't like it.

Yeash, but this is what I asked you:
In post 1268, acryon wrote:
In post 1267, Newbie wrote:Also, going back to

Vote: Wisdom

You indicated that you unvoted to hear what I had to say. I assume you have some comments on what you did/didn't like about what I had to say for the vote to come back?

Obviously I was asking you what you disagreed with re: Wisdom, because that was the whole point of your unvote. Why would you say you liked it if you (clearly) disagreed with my Wisdom conclusion when it was the primary thing you were concerned about at the time?

Re: Mathdino as town.
In short, he is scum-hunting. His questions aren't empty; they are directed toward finding the scum. Him and I both unfortunately have come to a number of the same wrong conclusions, but it seems pretty clear that he is genuinely looking for scum. While wall-posts and high posting activity are certainly not alignment-indicative, his content is on-point. I don't see fallacies in his arguments; I don't see witch-hunting; I don't see misrepresentation. He has been thinking critically about the game, and he gives reasons for all of his reads and for the direction he is going. If Mathdino were scum, I doubt all of the above would apply to him. So if he is scum, he is doing a very good job, although I doubt he is.

Also,
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Post Post #1920 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:23 am

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In post 1915, Mathdino wrote:guess what I'm trying to say is that if I were scum, I'd have this game in the bag, and I'm not the type to draw things out unnecessarily.


lol, if you're scum you apparently
do
have the game in the bag.

Mathdino wrote:It's kind of like how you know someone is town in LyLo by the fact that they don't hammer. A bit premature, I know, but still. Doing what I'm doing now would be against my wincon.


This is dishonest and it should be obvious why. Scum quickhammering in LyLo have exactly zero accountability for doing so as it ends the game. That is not even remotely applicable to this situation.
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Post Post #1921 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:24 am

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Also just no one else is making any sense as scum right now
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Post Post #1922 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:28 am

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Newbie v Wisdom D1 just really looks TvS to me.
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Post Post #1923 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:29 am

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BMWS do you play mafia elsewhere?
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Post Post #1924 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:18 am

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In post 1919, acryon wrote:

Also,
UNVOTE:


Why are you unvoting if you don't think mathdino is scum?

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