Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Grib]

Like what?

[fferyllt]

Once in a while I run into a player who does shit I typically do, and it suddenly brings into focus why my town play looks scummy to certain subsets of ms players.

[Mathdino]

If I knew, Grib, I'd have said it by now. Pine appears to still be discussing things, so I want to let that happen without fear of A. you self-hammering, or B. someone derphammering.

[Grib]

Self-hammering is for scum.

[Pine]

I'll let Majiffy know

[Mathdino]

This^

A significant majority of my games have had premature hammers by town.
Not doing that again.

[Pine]

Math, can you answer Grib's question about the divergent reactions to his similar posts? I think I know why, but I want you to go first

[Mathdino]

I believe I already did. Back then, I was considering the possibility of BBT/Pine, and as such you and Grib were equivalent in terms of information and likelihood of hitting scum.
However, with the certainty in my mind that BBT can only be scum with Grib, slight townvibes won't outweigh the fact that he's almost certainly scum based on my chart.

[Scripten]

Scripten

: No, your behavior does not look like coasting. What I said is that the claim looks like one that scum

could

use to coast. I'm much more concerned with two things: First, your reluctance to elaborate on whatever's going on with you and Beck, when you said D1 that your role would confirm you as Town. It didn't, per Beck. Second, your hard push back on me when I said Neighborizer. It is by far the most likely role, and the only one within explicitly Normal mechanics. Given that the hard push looks really weird. It doesn't actually make any sense as Town. How exactly would I have arrived at that point without just reasoning it out? Doesn't make much sense. That said, everything together suggests the Town side of null

Okay, I guess that makes sense, but I question you bringing it up if it didn't apply here and not clarifying as much until I confronted you about it.

What do I need to elaborate on about Beck? My problem was with the way you phrased 1463. It felt really similar to discussion with Beck in my QT. I had forgotten that you'd mentioned Neighborizer before the night started.

Scripten again

: BBTs move away from Grib makes perfect sense, when you consider that BBT is a relatively new player. He's either Grib's scumbuddy trying to bail out his mate, or he's an investigative role with an inno. Guess what? He hasn't defended Grib enough for it to be the latter. Get on board

I'm less experienced than BBT, but I saw these possibilities. In fact, I'd say that BBT is more likely than Grib to be scum because of this. (BBT has no inno on Grib.)

[Beck]

I'll let Majiffy know

Kinda pointless now...

[Beck]

So we aren't lynching scum today?

[Mathdino]

We're lynching Grib or Pine today.

On the bright side, depending on what PRs we have, we might have more information by LyLo if we end up hitting town. Got a hard time believing the only PR is Scripten's whatever-the-hell-he-is.

[Mathdino]

And before you say BBT, just wanna note that Grib is townreading him and fferyllt wants to lynch Grib or Pine, and I'm not considering voting him right now without Grib's flip since basically all of D1 BBT's behaviour is now explained.

[Scripten]

And before you say BBT, just wanna note that Grib is townreading him and fferyllt wants to lynch Grib or Pine

Hm? How does the former follow from the latter?

[Mathdino]

There are 3 votes on BBT. 1 more is required for a lynch. I'm not hammering him. Grib probably won't hammer a townread. And we already know who fferyllt wants to lynch. The only way BBT's getting lynched is as a compromise or deadline lynch.

[Beck]

We're lynching Grib or Pine today.

If that's the case see you guys the next day phase.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Didn't feel like a natural progression. If you ISO me, I think I've explained it. Would do it myself but I have to leave shortly.

OK, the only thing I see is that you didn't like the way I stopped pursuing Grib after he had conceded a point to me.

Is that still your only reason?

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 2.8

Grib -

fferyllt, Pine

Mathdino-

BlueBloodedToffee-

, Scripten, Beck,

Beck-

Pine-

Grib

Not Voting

BlueBloodedToffee, Mathdino

With 7 alive it takes 4 for a lynch and 3 for no lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-11-21 11:15:00)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Want more discussion, we have 4 days, I'm not sure everything that can be said has been said.

If there is more to be said, why does the game keep stalling?

That being said, Grib is not toDay's lynch.

Math, your whole reasoning for Grib being scum is basically PoE, right? I don't think that's a great way to find scum, do you have any specific reasoning for Grib being scum that actually relates to what he's done this game?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Pine

[Mathdino]

Grib vs BBT

Pretty much originated from Grib seeming to think that carnivores are the scum and herbivores are town (which I wouldn't say is that far fetched, mostly), and BBT jumps and claims it's a scumslip because Grib assumed something based on the mod's intro. Now, this is dumb. However, both of them here seem to be in a confused town mindset. Grib then backs off a bit and says his dinosaur's personality "loathes the very existence of carnivores" and after I claim carnivorous town, says "If someone else confirms that Carnivores can be town I'll buy it".

BBT doesn't really expand on the scumslip theory, but the very fact that it makes no sense and seems more of a conspiracy type theory gives townpoints to BBT, since I think stretching it like this oftentimes comes from a townmindset than a scum one. This post exemplifies what I'm talking about. "He tried to give a townslip but I read it as a scumslip". Again, dumb theory, but from a town mindset.

Now see, this case by Grib on BBT is also dumb, in essence, calling BBT scum for tunneling. But at the same time, it's not dumb in the "I've got this crazy conspiracy theory" sense, it's dumb in the "Look at this guy's dumb arguments, let's lynch him for it!" sense. Looks bad. BBT then continues to tunnel Grib but one of the good points he made was here, referencing Grib associating BBT and Beck. Funnily enough, this gives me the feeling that Grib/BBT is possible and Grib was trying to line up a lynch on a townie after getting cred from bussing. BBT's harebrained theories above actually make sense if he's stretching to attempt to bus. Will keep this in mind.

Okay this post after BBT switches to Beck is laughable and also a bit weird. It's like Grib is asking BBT to tunnel him again.
[...]

The Scripten Wagon

What even happened here... Okay so Scripten asks for votes on Pine, BBT joins him, at which point insanity, Grib, and Beck all jump on Scripten, forcing him to softclaim. I think it goes without saying that BBT and Grib are the strangest aspects of this (Finn had his vote parked on Scripten from a while ago). But while BBT already had issues with Pine, Grib's participation was definitely off, especially when asked to provide reasons, saying Scripten's naked vote wasn't what made him join the wagon, yet "In fact, it actually helped a little". Then after the softclaim, Grib heads back to BBT. To actually listen to the thoughts of the dead, insanity states here that it's likely scum was involved, and comes to the conclusion that Grib's vote was indeed fishy (how validating).

I stand by my statement afterward that he's probably backing off town-you today so he doesn't get you to tunnel him again.

[Beck]

looking over the VCs from day 1, grib's vote history is really bad. I'm still holding on for a bbt wagon but I will concede to grib if I have to.

[Scripten]

I find it really interesting that BBT and Grib are currently the hardest wagons to push. Pine's wagon is WAY too easy, and I'm suspecting that is because he is a mislynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pine's wagon is easy because he has a whole 2 votes?

How about the fact that nearly everyone is willing to lynch Grib?

How is Pine's wagon easier than Grib's?

[Scripten]

Pine's wagon is easy because he has a whole 2 votes?

How about the fact that nearly everyone is willing to lynch Grib?

How is Pine's wagon easier than Grib's?

Pine got run up really quickly before, if you recall.

Come to think of it, Grib is a pretty easy lynch, you're right. I forget that it's only you and Mathdino who aren't ready to lynch him.