Micro 412: 9P Rebels In The Palace (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

I'm guessing the reason ika hasn't been hammered is because one of the two on his wagon are scum

Think about the setup, dude. Scum don't know each other. Scum don't even know if ika is scum. Quickhammers don't apply here.

[Anatole Kuragin]

there's no way ika is a guard

[Wisdom]

There's no way ika is

not

a guard

[Wisdom]

But sure, feel free to explain why you think he isn't. I explained why he is and you just ignored me.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Ika is guaranteed guard, not guaranteed king.

Guards are the only information holders in this game - they know who the king is, and they don't want that to be outed. It's exactly the same in AITP, but vice versa, since the king and his guards are the majority there. Ideal play for AITP is to just randomly lynch without discussion, so that the guards don't out the king. Similarly, the guards here don't want their king outed. ika already proposed in the beginning of the game that we play this AITP style, namely just to random lynch, but that would be a disaster for this game because we

want

the king outed, unlike AITP, and therefore we want discussion. When he realized we won't be doing that (which he kinda knew was wrong already), he just stayed silent in his corner and only came in the thread to hammer wagons or talk to wake about non-game things. This way, he doesn't discuss, and he runs no risk of outing his king. Further, he plays to his wincon by hammering people.

Do you not agree that ika is following a guard mindset one hundred percent?

What has ika done that implies he has any knowledge of the setup? It looks to be like he's either

a) king and laying low (I think this is unlikely)
or
b) just fucking the game off and letting us lose by lynching him

[Wisdom]

Did you even read what I said? Sure doesn't look like that

[Anatole Kuragin]

Ika didn't suggest we do AITP though. Wake asked him about his theory, Ika explained it, then said he didn't bother suggesting it because we wouldn't be interested.

If that's all your theory is based on, it's really weak.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think for guards we're looking for people pushing mislynches and deflecting, not someone laying low. That should be the king. There are players who have done both when it was appropriate - jason and klingon slot.

[Wisdom]

If that's all your theory is based on, it's really weak.

You didn't read anything, confirmed

[Wisdom]

I think for guards we're looking for people pushing mislynches and deflecting, not someone laying low. That should be the king. There are players who have done both when it was appropriate - jason and klingon slot.

Bullcrap.

The king

is going to do his best to push people and appear active and town, and

the guards

will lay low and try not to give out who the king is.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If that's all your theory is based on, it's really weak.

You didn't read anything, confirmed

Can you do something fucking productive and explain what part you think I'm not getting? Or actually come up with a convincing theory?

[Wisdom]

I won't waste my time explaining in full detail why people are scum only for you to completely ignore it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I read your argument. a) your point about his AITP thing is demonstrably false by reading the game and b) your argument about guards laying low is indefensible and unassailable WIFOM based on presumably the way you would play

[Wisdom]

a) The point about AITP is objectively true, ika wanted to propose we lynch randomly without discussion but stopped because he knew we wouldn't do it

b) The argument about how guards and kings play is based on optimal play for guards and kings

c) You're ignoring everything else I posted

[Anatole Kuragin]

mkay glanced though and all i ahve seenw as dicussion and a pissoff fight

that being said yes wake its breakable, we have an entire MD thread about it but i know it will be ignored so im just not doing anything about it.

if anyone is wondering the idea is to have 0 discussiona nd randomly lynch in hopes ot get the king

why would that be more beneficial in RITP than a normal game?

we need to root one player to win the game, in nomal you have to root them all, this is like a thinly veiled moutain mafia tbh

Thats what happens in AITP, there's no reason to do such a thing here where scum are the minority.

exactly why i didnt even bring it up, i knew it would be shot down in a heartbeat

two apathetic posts in his first 54 does not look like an idea he's legitimately trying to push

[Anatole Kuragin]

he seems just as apathetic about that as he has the rest of the game so far

[Anatole Kuragin]

and how often do scum play "optimally" in any game?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Jason has gone away for days at a time only to return to throw his hat in on a mislynch. He could easily be either type of scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Klingon too.

[Wisdom]

Apathetic ika = scum ika

[Wisdom]

I don't care to discuss with you anymore. ika is obvscum, and you're either scum who has figured out that's the case and want to win today, or ridiculously stupid. In either case, I can't convince you, so this is over.

[Anatole Kuragin]

yeah you sound like a really skilled and useful player with that attitude

[Wisdom]

I don't give a shit, I've had enough with this town

[PokerFace]

Wake88's last post was with his alt Wake so he has not yet gone beyond 2 day inactivity value. So he will not be prodded yet despite what inactivity flow says

Day 3 Vote Count:

ika (2) - Klingoncelt, Wisdom

Wake88 (1) - Flubbernugget
Klingoncelt (1) - Anatole Kuragin

Not voting (3) - Wake88, ika, JasonWazza

With 7 alive its 4 to lynch

Deadline 12/02/14

(expired on 2014-12-02 12:00:00)

[Wake]

I'm unable to keep up with this game. I think it'd be prudent to replace out and give someone more available a chance. Dealing with several physical injuries and a nasty cold. Sorry, Poker.