Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

Beck · Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:22 am

In post 1623, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Pine's wagon is easy because he has a whole 2 votes?

What does that have to do with anything?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:27 am

It has to do with the price of fish.

Why do you ask silly questions?

Beck · Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:31 am

Nobody mentioned his lack of votes as a reason for voting them that I recall and this is the first anyone brought that up, so no its not a silly question. Is that honestly why you are voting him? Cause if you are and I'm wrong about you that's literally the dumbest reason ever

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:32 am

Haha, you think I'm voting him because he doesn't have enough votes?

Is that what I'm actually reading?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:35 am

I was responding to Scripten asking why he thinks Pine's wagon/lynch is so easy when, IMO, Grib is the easiest wagon/lynch to jump onto/push right now.

My vote has absolutely nothing to do with Pine not having a lot of votes.

Scripten · Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:40 am

This is silly.

BBT:

What is your scumread on Pine? I can't seem to find anything except that you thought Pine was defending Grib, then you accused him of buddying Grib. It seems like, regardless of whether Grib is scum or not, you're scumreading Pine for his interactions with Grib, even after you attacked him earlier for confronting Grib. (You said it felt contrived IIRC.)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:46 am

PoE mostly.

I'm pretty sure you and Grib are town. Same for Math, but not as strong as you two.

Ffery is also probably town. This one I'm not that sure on but am certainly not thinking of lynching her any time soon.

This leaves Beck and Pine. Usually in this situation, I have one scum right and one scum wrong, there is always one person who fools me.

If I'm wrong on either Beck or Pine, then Ffery is probably the one who has me fooled.

That's where I'm at right now.

Beck · Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:50 am

In post 1628, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Haha, you think I'm voting him because he doesn't have enough votes?

Is that what I'm actually reading?

Well why else would you bring it up? You certainly haven't done a good job explaining any of your votes so sorry if I have trouble figuring out this one. You just keep dodging...

Beck · Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:52 am

In post 1631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:PoE mostly.

I'm pretty sure you and Grib are town. Same for Math, but not as strong as you two.

Ffery is also probably town. This one I'm not that sure on but am certainly not thinking of lynching her any time soon.

This leaves Beck and Pine. Usually in this situation, I have one scum right and one scum wrong, there is always one person who fools me.

If I'm wrong on either Beck or Pine, then Ffery is probably the one who has me fooled.

That's where I'm at right now.

Oh so when you told me before you provided reasons that was just a lie right? Got it...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:52 am

In post 1632, Beck wrote:
Well why else would you bring it up? You certainly haven't done a good job explaining any of your votes so sorry if I have trouble figuring out this one. You just keep dodging...

I didn't bring it up. Scripten did.

So, with this new information at hand. How do you plan to proceed?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:54 am

In post 1633, Beck wrote:
In post 1631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
PoE mostly
.

Oh so when you told me before you provided reasons that was just a lie right? Got it...

Hope that helps you out.

fferyllt · Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:54 am

BBT I have no fucking idea why you're townreading me.

Beck · Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:56 am

Nvm, I misread that post...

But now that I gt what you are saying, pine's wagon was easy cause he had 2 people voting him back to back putting him at l-1 and then you pop in giving intent. All that happened pretty fast which is the definition of an easy wagon.

So I guess I want to know is why are you trying to downplay pine was an easy wagon? Had I not unvoted the day probably would have ended with his lynch

Beck · Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:58 am

In post 1636, fferyllt wrote:BBT I have no fucking idea why you're townreading me.

This. you have become the most useless person in the game.

Beck · Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:00 am

In post 1635, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1633, Beck wrote:
In post 1631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
PoE mostly
.

Oh so when you told me before you provided reasons that was just a lie right? Got it...

Hope that helps you out.

Poe aren't reasons, try agin

Beck · Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:03 am

In post 1461, Beck wrote:I find it hard to believe you can poe an entire team based on the limited flips we have had

I said this to math, it still applies to you as well.

Plus what happened to your theory that scripten/me is a scum team? Now you are town reading him?

Plus I'm pretty sure you were scum reading grib at some point, why did that change? What did he do to make you think he's town?

Scripten · Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:06 am

Fferyllt:

Would you be interested in my BBT wagon? Today is just getting monotonous. If we end up with a deadline lynch again I'm probably gonna lose my mind. He doesn't have any reads that aren't associative or PoE, and that bugs me. It looks like it bugs you. Come on and join us.

Beck · Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:06 am

In post 1436, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1314, Beck wrote:

vote: pine

In post 1400, Mathdino wrote:

UNVOTE: Grib
VOTE: Pine
Let's hope we're right on this.

These votes might have something to do with it.

Just saying.

Also.you never explained.why you left grib's vote out as a reason why pine was at l-1. Why would you purposely lie to pine if you are indees town? My vote was #1 remember?

Grib · Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:07 am

PoE becomes a problem when literally everyone starts using it. Otherwise it's pretty nifty.

Me, Scripten, Beck, and BBT are all town. I've given my reasons. Two of fferyllt/Pine/Mathdino are our scumteam.

Vote correctly, people.

Beck · Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:09 am

You can't poe a whole scum team on day 2, its literally impossible. Even great mafia players have trouble doing this and no offense here but none of you are on that level.

Poe is lazy work

Grib · Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:11 am

There are only seven players. I don't pretend to be infallible, but it's not tremendously difficult.

I have enough town reads to narrow down who I think may be scum. I could be wrong, but that's life.

fferyllt · Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:12 am

In post 1641, Scripten wrote:
Fferyllt:
Would you be interested in my BBT wagon? Today is just getting monotonous. If we end up with a deadline lynch again I'm probably gonna lose my mind. He doesn't have any reads that aren't associative or PoE, and that bugs me. It looks like it bugs you. Come on and join us.

There is stuff he's done that does ping my townsense. Not a lot, but some. Mostly the way he interacted with Grib's gamestate starting point regarding eating habits vs alignment. If Grib is town, then it makes no sense whatsoever for BBT to have so dramatically have flipped his read. So, I'm left with either scum-BBT bussed scum-Grib out of the chute on day 1 for no apparent reason, or scum-BBT flipped his manufactured read on a relatively easy mislynch for no apparent reason.

Or, he's not scum.

Grib · Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:12 am

In post 1644, Beck wrote:You can't poe a whole scum team on day 2, its literally impossible. Even great mafia players have trouble doing this and no offense here but none of you are on that level.

Poe is lazy work

I've seen someone PoE 3/4 of the scumteam in a 13 player game less than 24 hours into D1, mostly by townhunting.

Don't be a Debbie Downer.

Pine · Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:19 am

^This fucking thread

Scripten · Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:21 am

In post 1646, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1641, Scripten wrote:
Fferyllt:
Would you be interested in my BBT wagon? Today is just getting monotonous. If we end up with a deadline lynch again I'm probably gonna lose my mind. He doesn't have any reads that aren't associative or PoE, and that bugs me. It looks like it bugs you. Come on and join us.

There is stuff he's done that does ping my townsense. Not a lot, but some. Mostly the way he interacted with Grib's gamestate starting point regarding eating habits vs alignment. If Grib is town, then it makes no sense whatsoever for BBT to have so dramatically have flipped his read. So, I'm left with either scum-BBT bussed scum-Grib out of the chute on day 1 for no apparent reason, or scum-BBT flipped his manufactured read on a relatively easy mislynch for no apparent reason.

Or, he's not scum.

In my scum game where I was on his team, (It's on my wiki page, if you're curious.) he used a similar tactic to push a wagon on me right out of RVS. (Pretty much the same part of the day that he pushed Grib.) Obviously, the tactic was slightly different here, but not enough that I'm willing to discount BBT being scum for it.