You could be anyone II - Game Over

[Garmr]

Scum's biggest problem after losing IaI is the SK. I can see scum wanting to wait on NKing Mollie on N3 (and not gunning for her on D3 when they could be getting that delicious Titus-towncred), then suddenly wanting to go back to it this day phase after losing Jemina to the bomb. The problem is that it's dangerous to do this too openly, as SK-hunting is scum-motivated. Stopping yourself from gaining suspicion from this is high up in the priority list as scum, so trying to discredit any suspicion that comes your way suddenly makes a lot more sense.

I specifically looked for faked town reads because we have two goons flipped. Unless this is a really low PR-count game, then chances are good that the majority of the rest of the scumteam are PRs. They're more important to keep alive than the goons, so trying to influence groupthink to get them as townreads is important.

I have no idea what you're saying in the bolded.

I don't believe that your statement after the bolded is why you posted the way you did. The way you posted sounded less like "Your case is bad, so get lynched" and more like "You're the SK, so your case is wrong."

This shows me your improvising.

This is how I play as both alignments, btw.

So you don't think as town or scum great to know then your no big loss for future games.

Don't put words in my mouth.

My gut works a lot faster than my empty head space since I lack a brain, so it takes time for me to be able to figure out why it's so hard to push a fake scum read on you.

Your basically just trying to push a scum read on me now with out thinking first. Also you ignore pretty much anything that conflicts with your case. Your also forgetting something. I put myself in a position to get shot by the sk yesterday. Your also reaching for reasons. As every one of them you thrown at me so far I have easily swatted away.

Now what you just told everyone is you don't have a actual real reason to suspect me like you said earlier today.

Mollie made a separate case from a different angle and he's discounting it because... why exactly? I'll elaborate later. Gotta go now.

Implies you'll elaborate why this makes me scum. You couldn't now your just flailing around.

[Ankamius]

It's mostly general stuff. IaI didn't have a single notable instance in his ISO where he didn't have a positive type of interaction towards Garmr, yet most of them were really weak or stretchy. The last post where he dissected the claim felt the most faked out of all his points, though.

[Ankamius]

You're discrediting again, Garmr.

[TiphaineDeath]

3 scum dead, I’m thinking it’s gonna be 3 scum more along with an SK. Throwing out my scumreads to do some anlaysis on the dead people.

Living Players

Spoiler:

d3x
Nero Cain
RachMarie
PeregrineV
Pine (replaces inte)
StrangerCoug
Kise (replaces Majiffy)
Ankamius (replaces Mom)
TheWayItEnds
Formerfish (replaces Jackal711; Yiley)
Garmr
TiphaineDeath
pirate mollie
House (replaces Lucky2u)
Kthxbye
Josh_B

Town Reads

Spoiler:

Nero Cain
TheWayItEnds
Garmr
d3x
Tiphaine Death

Remaining

Spoiler:

RachMarie
PeregrineV
Pine (replaces inte)
StrangerCoug
Kise (replaces Majiffy)
Ankamius (replaces Mom)
Formerfish (replaces Jackal711; Yiley)
pirate mollie
House (replaces Lucky2u)
Kthxbye
Josh_B

3 scum and an SK in the remaining, with the lurking possibility of a scum within my town reads, let's get crackin.

[pirate mollie]

I got to page 16 and my eyes bled. The spaming of the thread put me over the edge. I don't even remember Vezo or IHNC from that point. My issue is that we seem to have a decent idea that someone is the SK, and I have an independent read on that person based off past experience, yet we aren't going to lynch them because they are helping town? I don't see how they are helping the town when they have taken out two of our numbers. I don't care how scummy those guys were in thread, they were town.

And if you are going to claim that there are other reasons for your vote out them or fuck off.

pedit- Mod killing- I think that most mods would like to avoid having to kill anyone, regardless of alignment. "Well informed entrance?" I read 16 pages of shit before giving up. My read on Mollie came from page 1, I've said as much.

and you are wrong!

I want you to sit with the very real feels that you are wrong. it is so fucking hard to tell scum from shit town in this game.

so then what is your relative tell that you are toting around? cos if you only read 16 pages then I am pretty sure I think I know what it is but I wanna hear you say so that i can point out how dumb you are!

[Garmr]

It's mostly general stuff. IaI didn't have a single notable instance in his ISO where he didn't have a positive type of interaction towards Garmr, yet most of them were really weak or stretchy. The last post where he dissected the claim felt the most faked out of all his points, though.

Think about it real carefully what you just said.

IAI says nothing about positive things but they are all weak and sketchy. The last post was still a town read of me.

Does this come from scum town reading another scum team mate or scum seeking to buddy town.

Look at how he handled titus and aj he tried to distance himself as much as possible and barely interacted with them. Actually take that back he was passively busting titus day 1 with out being direct with it.

Do you think his the type of guy to force a town read on me if I was partner.

[Garmr]

IAI says nothing

but

positive things but they are all weak and sketchy. The last post was still a town read of me.

[Formerfish]

Mollie, insulting me didn't work in HP and it is not going to work here. Don't think for a second that I am going to let you bully me with your onsite clout. I don't know you irl and could honestly not give a fuck if this is how you are going to act every time I call you scum. And why don't you tell me what you think my tell is, mostly because I already asked once and you ignored me, but also a little bit because I am not sure if you know what it is right now and would rather have that in my back pocket for this game and the future.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, insulting me didn't work in HP and it is not going to work here. Don't think for a second that I am going to let you bully me with your onsite clout. I don't know you irl and could honestly not give a fuck if this is how you are going to act every time I call you scum. And why don't you tell me what you think my tell is, mostly because I already asked once and you ignored me, but also a little bit because I am not sure if you know what it is right now and would rather have that in my back pocket for this game and the future.

I have told you what what dumb fucking tell you think you have on me twice now.

I am politely asking you to step outside what you think you know and look at the game from a global perspective instead of trying to orient yourself from some notion you have where you think you can read me off of 16 pages. I just referenced a game where desp did this same thing and town wound up being slaughtered.

srsly fucking step back if you are town.

[d3x]

And if you are going to claim that there are other reasons for your vote out them or fuck off.

I have made them known, so feel free to take your own advice. As it is pointless to argue with you that you are Scum {particularly for your previous incarnations, all of whom I've Voted}, I don't feel it necessary to further put up with your bullshit.

I'm calling in markers. This needs to die Today.

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: Formerfish

Also, I completely overlooked "Town Bomb" multiple times. My bad.

Also, I like Kise for town, especially if fish flips scum.

[TiphaineDeath]

Big Ass Wall below, contained in spoilers for your reading convenience.

AJ ISO

Spoiler:

Mom’s first question to AJ soft clears her for me, so I’m throwing anak in the town pile.

Aj’s post#1160 is an absolute goldmine. I need to Iso Josh and check on his interations, but I’m pretty sure Josh is scum from this post by AJ, wouldn’t be surprised if SC was too, more work to do on both angles.

2041 strikes me as cheeky, scum, but AJ is good enough it could be a throw off, I need to look at the HI wagon at that moment to find more info on this.

2043 is almost as good as a scumclaim from josh, AJ was waffley and now hard defends, seems good to me.

2133 makes me lean away from coug-scum, but again, AJ could be playing games here.

Aj’s 2135 followed by 2173 makes me think House is town, gonna throw him in that pile for now

JOSH ISO

Spoiler:

Still don’t like josh’s interactions with me early, slight scum ping here.

Josh’s mention of an encryptor is a bit odd to me, not damning on it’s own, but a bit odd, also the “HEY LOOK I’M TALKING ABOUT MULTIBALL”, could quite easily be cheeky group scum that knows it isn’t.

Josh’s 1078 is interesting, especially in contrast with 1080. AJ was town reading vezok too, and I never really found a reason for it. It doesn’t feel like that much of a stretch for the scumteam to be collectively townreading someone and then kill them for towncred. In fact, I’m calling it, that’s why only one NK happened night one, both scum and SK shot vezok.

Liking pirate mollie’s interactions with josh, she’s going in my town pile, though I’ll iso her later for SK stuff people seem to be raving about.

Josh’s interaction with SC again have me leaning him in to the town pile, my previous reads on him are keeping him null for now though.

Josh’s interaction with the end of the HI wagon, also bad.

Loving josh’s 2230 now that I know he’s scum, given that IAI scum, AJ scum, and Titus scum, he’s spreading his mates out pretty evenly over that board, this will be useful later, just not quite yet, liking jackal/fish as scum from that post though.

Yeh, Mollie def not groupscum, josh is on her waaay too hard.

The vote-unvote-vote on titus is more damning evidence for me of joshscum, incase any was missing. Also he hasn’t actually engaged AJ, IAI, or titus this entire game.

Titus Iso

Spoiler:

828 is another nice point towards fish scum, liking this read. Isoing fish/jackal/yiley, next.

2214 makes me doubt my house town read though, hmmmm, may have to put him back in the null category.

Titus’s interaction with house around death also make me read house scum, yep, back in to my null category you go.

FISH/Jackal/Yiley iso

Spoiler:

Yiley has 7 posts, none of them tell me anything, I am irritate.

Jackal has two posts, but they do continue to enforce that pirate mollie isn’t group scum, still irritate.

Former fish has 12 posts, and he’s still on mollie, and citing secret tells and meta as his reasoning to back up “well people seem to think she’s the SK” Pretty happy putting this in the scum pile.

IAI iso

Spoiler:

IAI’s “Who is SC” seems a bit forced, could still be confbiasing here though, SC is worth an iso.

Interactions with vezok support my scum planned townread kill theory, and day talk makes this an even more effective tactic.

IAI’s 2066 is a bit jangly with my josh scum read, hmm, may bear looking in to.

2137 makes me think house scum again, hmmmmm.

Eh, he’s off josh by 2576 and no really big pressure ever really came on josh, still fine with josh scum.

SC ISO

Spoiler:

Huh, absolutely zero interaction with any flipped scum, he does badmouth the yiley wagon on 1225 though, small bells here.
Wait, wait, he’s blatantly following titus on to HI in 1429, that makes me think he’s town again. So waffley.

Interactions with josh now, leaning more town.

He is super consistent in his reads too, and likes house as scum, that’ll mean something later after I do my house ISO, he’s next. Also he’s not on mollie, and I have a theory that most if not all of the scum want her dead, so that’s another point in his favor.

Yeah, fuckit, you’re going in the townpile.

House Iso

Spoiler:

House’s 2111 and 2112 together are terrible, makes case against TSO votes garmr, wat?

Calls’s Josh Town, hard, on 0 explanation, liking it.

Then backs it up in 2193 with super wifom.

Hey, he’s on mollie, 2263, this is becoming a theme…..

Aaaand all of his interactions with titus are terrible, yep, he’s still scum.

Final reads list

Spoiler:

Town

Nero Cain
TheWayItEnds
Garmr
d3x
Tiphaine Death
Ankamius (replaces Mom)
StrangerCoug
Kthxbye

Scum

Josh B
Formerfish (replaces Jackal711; Yiley)
House (replaces Lucky2u)

Remaining

Pirate mollie
RachMarie
PeregrineV
Pine (replaces inte)
Kise (replaces Majiffy)

Aaaaaand VOTE: Fishh. Let's wrap this mother fucker up.

[Garmr]

Going to be honest I don't see the fish scum thing.

[Kthxbye]

Can scum fake a p3286? Maybe, but I read full genuine hunting in TD (and not just cuz he put me in the town pile...).

Town for me are:
d3x
TD
PM (yup, still town reading her)
Kise
Ank
SC

I'm good with TD's scum reads and reasons as well. In fact, if we wanna swing this shit over to Josh, I'd be even happier. Gonna stay on fish for now though since it's a thing and I'm not nearly involved enough to lead the wagon over to Josh.

[StrangerCoug]

That was in reference to the argument itself. I do not currently consider you a lynch option.

Ok so what are your lynch options.

Currently just House right now. I do not rely on meta to scumhunt, so that's why I have not jumped on pirate mollie.

Too early in the Garmr-Ankamius argument to make a call, but it comes off weird in general—I'm not getting anything except they're slinging mud at each other. Expect me to keep an eye on both of them.

I don't understand what this post was meant to accomplish.

It gets my thoughts out there! What else do you think it's meant to accomplish?

That would make sense since most mods don't allow scum to use their role

and

kill unless they are the last one standing.

Apparently, I am not "most mods".

The OP pretty clearly states they're town PR's.

Call me stupid or blind, but I fail to see where the OP pretty clearly states they are town PR's. Based on flips, I think it makes the most sense, but....we have an SK hunter (useful for a scum faction) and a time bomb (useful for a scum faction as well).

Could you be a dear and direct me to what you see that I'm missing that might clarify this up for me?

Already taken care of by d3x, but I'll happily oblige anyway:

Hostile Intent was Andy Murray, FBI Agent lynched day 2

Assuming non-bastard mod, power roles can pretty safely be assumed to be town unless otherwise specified.

TSO was Hitler, Town Bomb, killed night 3

Explicitly given to be town. The shade is different from the FBI agent but I don't think mods would be using similar colors for opposing factions.

[Ankamius]

Too early in the Garmr-Ankamius argument to make a call, but it comes off weird in general—I'm not getting anything except they're slinging mud at each other. Expect me to keep an eye on both of them.

I don't understand what this post was meant to accomplish.

It gets my thoughts out there! What else do you think it's meant to accomplish?

What I mean is that you're not really saying anything in that post. It's commenting on our scuffle without giving any insight or game-relevant opinion, then saying what you'll do in a way that allows you to just drop it and never bring it up again if you want.

It's basically fluff and I don't understand why it's there.

[StrangerCoug]

YOU

are posting fluff that is not helping

ME

. That's what it's saying.

[Ankamius]

Ok, so has that changed since you made that post?

[StrangerCoug]

I still really do not understand your case on Garmr, so no.

[jasonT1981]

Official Vote Count

Formerfish

(3): d3x, Kthxbye, TiphaineDeath

pirate mollie

(3): Formerfish, Garmr, Nero Cain

Garmr

(1): Ankamius

House

(1): StrangerCoug

Not Voting

(8): Kise, TheWayItEnds, RachMarie, pirate mollie, Pine, House, Josh_B, PeregrineV

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-12-06 18:30:56)

till Day 4 Deadline

[TheWayItEnds]

So... Fish's entrance was pretty town.

So if someone could explain why theres a wagon there that'd be great.

I'm also pretty sure that mollie is not groupscum, so if someone could point me toward the "mollie is the sk" case, or at least remind me of who wrote it so I can iso them.

Because I'm pretty sure I missed it while I was in tunnel mode on titus yesterday.

[d3x]

@TD- I am terrified that after all this time, your posting is lining up almost 100% with my thoughts/Reads. I'm not really feeling ScumHouse, though. Also explain KthxTown, plz.

@Garmr-

I'm keeping up with the game,but I am being replaced

This is Scum posting.

Let's just lynch this and sort things out tomorrow.

VOTE: pirate mollie

This is Scum posting.

I don't see how they are helping the town when they have taken out two of our numbers. I don't care how scummy those guys were in thread, they were town.

This is Scum posting.

[PeregrineV]

This game is going to require a lot of work. I will objectively cross-reference each living player as per each scum.

[pirate mollie]

@TD- I am terrified that after all this time, your posting is lining up almost 100% with my thoughts/Reads. I'm not really feeling ScumHouse, though. Also explain KthxTown, plz.

@Garmr-

I'm keeping up with the game,but I am being replaced

This is Scum posting.

Let's just lynch this and sort things out tomorrow.

VOTE: pirate mollie

This is Scum posting.

I don't see how they are helping the town when they have taken out two of our numbers. I don't care how scummy those guys were in thread, they were town.

This is Scum posting.

holy shit batman I forgot that jackal said that.

okay sold.

VOTE: formerfish

[pirate mollie]

So... Fish's entrance was pretty town.

So if someone could explain why theres a wagon there that'd be great.

I'm also pretty sure that mollie is not groupscum, so if someone could point me toward the "mollie is the sk" case, or at least remind me of who wrote it so I can iso them.

Because I'm pretty sure I missed it while I was in tunnel mode on titus yesterday.

go look at who pushed hostile (town) for being the sk then go look at who is pushing me (I'm town) for sk and go think about it.