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[reinoe]

UNVOTE: MYKONIAN

[Empking]

Vote Count

Mykonian (4) - Flubbernugget, FuDuzn, Goblin, Whatisswag
No Lynch (1) - Copper223

Not Voting: mykonian, Natirasha, Anatole Kuragin, Dessew, reinoe, comradekafka
(expired on 2014-12-01 12:31:40)

[Dessew]

I'm pretty sure Boon and droog were in the same faction as their flavour wasn't different, both are mafia.

[Whatisswag]

Wait. I retract my claim now. I claimed doctor just to get mafia to kill me in the night in case the rb does not work out.
I am a normal vt.

[copper223]

So Cop/RB/RC and whatever AK is if relevant, vs Goon/UB/GF, looks plausible balance-wise to me, if a bit swingy given the UB.

I still see no reason not to NL and get some more checks before we proceed with lynching Mykonian, if nothing surprising happens.

[mykonian]

There's going to be a day where I make a play knowing that I'll be investigated. It wasn't this one. This time I'm just happy. That lynch was not going to be stopped in any other way.

Wait. I retract my claim now. I claimed doctor just to get mafia to kill me in the night in case the rb does not work out.
I am a normal vt.

This was my first thought given the way the claim went. Does not surprise me that it was a fake. Kind of was nice given that I had sort of given away I was a confused powerrole when fuduzn claimed.

Still leaves the question why there wasn't a kill. MS as a whole is seriously careful about putting a cop and a doc in one game, and we did not see scum power. There's the off chance that they blocked swag and tried to kill kafka and that failed because x? I mean, it's empking, he's an experienced mod and might not go with the standard "give scum a roleblocker", but seriously guys, this does not add up. Copper can talk how it is balanced till the end of time, that's not a setup that sees play. Even if he puts in 4 scum, this is ms, they give scum a way to deal with cop-doc, and the GF has been in disfavour lately (is it even a normal role still?)

[mykonian]

yup, still is. Just controversial in MD, I guess.

[mykonian]

who still have to claim. Do it.

[Dessew]

Oh I should read before posting.

I still think jailor should claim but let's just quicklynch.

VOTE: Droog

Since it seems like we aren't going to have a proper massclaim, I'd like to point out this post of Natirasha where he implies there's a gaoler.

[reinoe]

VT...

Would lynch...

Anatole
Goblin

Would not lynch...
Everyone else.

[mykonian]

Not claimed: Flubbernugget, Natirasha, Anatole Kuragin, Dessew

claimed: FuDuzn, Goblin, Whatisswag, mykonian, comradekafka, reinoe, Copper223

Want to take a guess at who the scum are in the not claimed department?

[Dessew]

Tbh, I'm pretty sure what Flubber'd claim.

[Goblin]

UNVOTE: Mykonian

[Whatisswag]

Tbh, I'm pretty sure what Flubber'd claim.

What was your point?

Experience tells me this looks scum

[FuDuzn]

Why are we unvoting Myko?

Myko, are you saying that there are two separate scum factions and our mod gave neither the ability to kill at night? Also someone mentioned it, but in any multiball game I have played the flavor color of the scum factions have been different.......or at the very least will have different faction names.

So Myko, please explain how I roleblocked you twice and there are no night kills? Are you saying that the mod also gave no nightkill ability to scum?

The only think that would be plausible is if it is a cult like scum and have a recruiting ability......but would that be considered normal?

The most obvious solution is generally the the correct solution people. Myko is scum.

[reinoe]

Stop!

Don't lynch Myko.

He came up innocent last night.

@kafka
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

Do you get your results as town/not town or mafia/not mafia?

[FuDuzn]

Reinoe, if he is a godfather does that matter?

[reinoe]

Reinoe, if he is a godfather does that matter?

Yes, he got a "guilty" on droog.

town/not town means he gets guilty on non-town factions. mafia/not mafia has implications that there is a non-mafia faction and even if he got a "not mafia" result on myko, myko could still be SK/werewolf. Also Boons was Universal backup. That PR would have no value whatsoever if there was a cop kill on N1. I know this and I'm pretty sure Empking knows it. I'm pretty sure the NRG knows it too.

[reinoe]

Reinoe, if he is a godfather does that matter?

Yes, he got a "guilty" on droog.

town/not town means he gets guilty on non-town factions. mafia/not mafia has implications that there is a non-mafia faction and even if he got a "not mafia" result on myko, myko could still be SK/werewolf. Also Boons was Universal backup. That PR would have no value whatsoever if there was a cop kill on N1. I know this and I'm pretty sure Empking knows it. I'm pretty sure the NRG knows it too.

lulz that was a drunk post on a saturday night...

Kafka got an "innocent" on droog, however...

if he got "town" then that means myko is probably town. If he got a "not mafia" result then that means myko could still be SK or ww. Boons is a mafia universal backup. However if it's not multiball, and a cop gets killed, what value is a mafia backup? The only way the mafia backup would have any value is if the cop could get results on WW or SK. Anything else is bad design. Would bad design get past both Empking and the NRG? I don't think so.

[FuDuzn]

Except that a godfather would illicit an inno result regardless.

You are over thinking this. Explain no night kills with me blocking myko twice and him trying to say it is multiball....yet still no night kills. If Myko is not scum than scum is either not playing(and than should be black balled) or empking completely borked the scum......which of course is not the case.

Therefore Myko is scum.

[comradekafka]

I get Mafia/Not Mafia

[reinoe]

I get Mafia/Not Mafia

myko is probably SK/ww

VOTE: mykonian

[copper223]

I agree that Mykonian is the most likely scum/third party town needs to kill, but I fail to see how NL and getting extra checks is not a superior strategy to lynching Mykonian under all circumstances:

- If Mykonian is the last threat we will just get another check for free, after 2 or 3 he might as well concede.

- If Mykonian is town we will avoid lynching a medic and force scum to actually make a NK.

So everyone voting for Mykonian should be voting for a NL instead.

If you believe Mykonian is town, then I can see lynching someone else like Goblin or AK as the best use for today, but I don't see why you would believe that it is likely for Mykonian to be town in the first place.

[mykonian]

nah, people seem more than happy to push through a result based on a roleblock over a result based on a cop. I don't think they want to NL, they've already discarded the cop result as being insignificant.

This could become interesting.

[mykonian]

know what really would be interesting. If suddenly tomorrow after a NL, kafka is dead, and fuduzn claims to not have blocked me. Wouldn't that be curious.