Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.08

Whomping Willow (1):

Originalchris

Riddleton (1):

kuror0

Flubbernugget (2):

crazypianist1116, GGG

crazypianist1116 (2):

Flubbernugget, Riddleton

AWA (2):

droog, Whomping Willow

Munkir (1):

AWA

droog (1):

Naomi-Tan

Not Voting:

istott, Munkir, Flames682

The deadline is Nov. 28, 9:40 AM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-28 09:40:00)

@Mod replace me

Noted.
Goblin replaces Riddleton.

[droog]

awa directly says being anti-town is the same as being scummy

Miss rep +1

awa has called flubber scummy

Miss Rep +1

awa has called flubber scummy for being anti-town

Miss Rep +1

this is ridiculous

[droog]

perhaps you could argue awa hasnt said 1 or 2 of those things
but if awa has not said:
flubber is scummy
flubber is anti-town
flubber is scummy for being anti-town

then why, naomi, is awa voting flubber?

[Naomi-Tan]

He said Flubber is Anti-town, and is voting him for being anti-town as any player not helping town is helping scum, due to being non-productive being useful for town. he has explained this before.

[crazypianist1116]

Town reads: GGG
Lots of calling people out who have no explanations or poor explanations for their actions. The comments he's directed towards Naomi and Flubber are awesome. I like it when he calls out people for pairing on D1. He's right in that it can be used pretty easily to set up two town mislynches. Not too sure I agree with 763 though.

Could you post fewer whole quotes and more of these tags?

Code: Select all

[post=POSTNUMBER][/post]

It's a bit tedious having pages of quotes with only two or three sentences of analysis.

Slight-Town: Droog, WW, Munkir
I'm really digging Droog's argument on AWA. I dislike 483. Don't really see any reason to keep Riddleton alive if Droog didn't know his alignment.
Munkir reads newtown. Loving the fact that he's posting more content though.
WW is blunt, can't get a great read on him, but he hasn't done anything too scummy outside of RVS.

Neutral reads: Flames, istott, kuror0
I'll get a better read once Flames' replacement is here, istott is back from V/LA, and kuror0 actually posts content.

Scum reads incoming.

[Whomping Willow]

Goblin replaces Riddleton.

Oh god. Even as a troll alt I can't tolerate this guy.

[GGG]

perhaps you could argue awa hasnt said 1 or 2 of those things
but if awa has not said:
flubber is scummy
flubber is anti-town
flubber is scummy for being anti-town

then why, naomi, is awa voting flubber?

I think if you read AWAs numerous clarifications, he has stated that flubs behaviour is anti town and in the absence of any good scum reads we should vote for the worst townie. While I disagree on this he has been remarkably consistent even when I tried to bait him into scum reading flubbs.

I believe AWA is voting you now though.

Pedit: CP I will try to use that feature. Some posts were done on my phone so it's much more difficult to manipulate.

[GGG]

Goblin replaces Riddleton.

Oh god. Even as a troll alt I can't tolerate this guy.

Are you math Dino by chance?

[Whomping Willow]

No, I'm a tree.

[crazypianist1116]

Mod:

Did you prod kuror0?

[Naomi-Tan]

No, I'm a tree.

That Joke Was Wooden

[crazypianist1116]

No, I'm a tree.

That Joke Was Wooden

We should leaf these puns behind.

Slight-scum: Riddleton, Originalchris.
Still dislike Riddleton's dayvig stunt.
Originalchris needs to post. I don't like the fact that he took the time to write 590 instead of writing up a Droog/WW buddying case. Not to mention the last paragraph started to get a bit Ad Hominem-y towards WW. I'd like to see if he still thinks that the case or if he's going to write it off in light of the past 10 pages.

Scum: Naomi, AWA, Flubber
For Naomi, 680 made me feel like all her reads are "If your opinion of me is town, then I think you're town. If your opinion of me is scum, then I think you're scum."
The OC read made it seem like she only likes OC because he defended her. Guess what Naomi, scum can defend town if they think it's to their advantage.
The Droog read made me feel like she didn't read Droog's posts. He's making content, it's just annoying to read because of his posting style.
The GGG read I don't understand at all.
The kuror0 read made me feel like she was putting a scum read on just anti-town behavior. Well at least this is consistent with her thinking AWA's vote is legitimate.

AWA: I have two questions for you.

Do you think Flubbernugget is scum?

Do you have any scum reads?

His vote and posting after made it look like he was at first trying to PL and then spin it into a vote for scum without calling Flubbernugget actual scum. If anything, the attempt to lynch anti-town when there are so many cases out there which he could evaluate as scum or town makes me think he's scum. I am "philosophically against" (as he puts it) his reluctance to make scum reads on D1. If Flubbernugget turns out to be scum, I could make a strong case for him bussing, but I'll wait until D2 for that.

WW: Do I need to repeat myself? Oh and:

Guys now that the pressure's moved elsewhere CP has pretty much dipped.

Yeah, Flubber, reading this game is totally the only thing I want to be doing on a Friday night.

[crazypianist1116]

That WW should have been Flubbernugget in the second to last line. My boo.

[droog]

He said Flubber is Anti-town,

this is something you just dinged me for as mis-repping

[Naomi-Tan]

they become nonproductive at best, and anti-town at worst.

Anti Town, not Scummy, 544, invalid +1 Miss rep Droog

awa calls flubber a 'candidate' for 'causing anti-town chaos'

Once Again, Anti-town Not Scummy

When it comes to this game, I see no significant difference between abetting scum by being flagrantly anti-town and true scum.

Your hightlighting of that block gains you +1 Miss rep, as If I haddn't read that carfully I could been miss lead as you purposely didn't bold the reason he made the statement

When it comes to this game, I see no significant difference between abetting scum by being flagrantly anti-town and true scum.

Helping Scum as town is not good for town, Weather they are scum or not is irrivelent if they are helping scum. That is what he said,

awa directly says being anti-town is the same as being scummy

Miss rep +1

awa has called flubber scummy

Miss Rep +1

awa has called flubber scummy for being anti-town

Miss Rep +1

there is a direct relationship between awa's dislke of flubber
and awa's desire to lynch flubber

There Is a Direct relationship between Droog's Dislike of awa
and Droog's desire to Lynch Awa

+1 Miss Rep

VOTE: Droog
For Miss reping 6 times in one post, and trying to force this lynch repeatly and defending someone who has put in little to no content though the entire game and had no reason to be defended (Chainsaw Defence)

Chainsaw Defense (Tarhalindur Version)
The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".
The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town

Read again.

[droog]

they become nonproductive at best, and anti-town at worst.

Anti Town, not Scummy, 544, invalid +1 Miss rep Droog

[droog]

naomi what do you make of 648
i asked you earlier and you didnt respond to that point

[Naomi-Tan]

Oh my God.

Mod: Can you please delete the above two posts? This post is exactly the same, except with correct quotation and formatting.

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Except I've already addressed those points.

It's clear that Flubber is just trying to add chaos and confusion to the game, and I don't particularly care about the reason. That kind of posting style, behavior, and language serves only to distract from the true goal of the game, which is to eliminate the scum. Creating distractions OF ANY KIND supports the scum. That is why I am in favor of removing Flubber from the game.

This reeks of scum
Scum would be pretty happy with this "gay is a slur" nonsense
It gives them a chance to be genuine
Which scum will take for all it's worth

You're trying to justify a lynch as though flubber is making the ruckus
He's not.

How exactly does this "reek of scum"? I'm not happy with the "gay as slur nonsense", because as I stated, creating a controversy over something completely unrelated does nothing to actually help the town, and in fact is a detriment because it causes chaos and distraction. Which I said in the very post you quoted. Can you show me exactly how Flubber ISN'T making a ruckus? Because his insistence upon creating confusion, handwaving posts that don't necessarily conform to his own ideas, and posts such as 567 and 585 which directly demand specific players to state who they think are scum without providing any kind of context or rationalization don't help the town. The only possible reason that a player would make these kinds of moves are if they are scum or some other kind of anti-town role. Either way I am in favor of a lynch.

awa's post on flubber ("flubber's antitown, therefore scum") was scummy

I believe I address this above, (and in fact in several posts since you originally posted this), but again I fail to see how my opinion that Flubber is antitown leads to me being scum. Please show me your train of thought here.

How exactly does this "reek of scum"? I'm not happy with the "gay as slur nonsense" creating a controversy over something completely unrelated does nothing to actually help the town, and in fact is a detriment because it causes chaos and distraction

This is him expressing how town getting distracted by a pointless argument over politically correct terms is stupid and town should get back on the ball and go back to scum hunting.

Can you show me exactly how Flubber ISN'T making a ruckus? Because his insistence upon creating confusion, handwaving posts that don't necessarily conform to his own ideas, and posts such as 567 and 585 which directly demand specific players to state who they think are scum without providing any kind of context or rationalization don't help the town

This asking someone (which I assume is you) to prove that Flubbers content is best for town. But that is an interruption, rather than as written. If we are looking as Written, it asks you to prove he isn't making a ruckus. after that he explains his reasons why he believes that that they are anti town, though he makes a point of not calling them scum.

[Naomi-Tan]

Durr, Posted too soon, was meant to go onto do the last bit. at the end he says that only anti-town aligned players / scum would make the actions he is making. but he is making a generalisation IMO

[droog]

You suggested in 648 you'd already explained
I suggested you hadn't
You then suggested you had... In 648

this is what i mean naomi

[Naomi-Tan]

You suggested in 648 you'd already explained
I suggested you hadn't
You then suggested you had... In 648

this is what i mean naomi

there is an explantion of his train of thought in part in that post. its this part here;

his insistence upon creating confusion, handwaving posts that don't necessarily conform to his own ideas, and posts such as 567 and 585 which directly demand specific players to state who they think are scum without providing any kind of context or rationalization don't help the town. The only possible reason that a player would make these kinds of moves are if they are scum or some other kind of anti-town role. Either way I am in favor of a lynch.

[Naomi-Tan]

Its not a Very GOOD Explanation...

[GuyInFreezer]

Mod:

Did you prod kuror0?

Yup

[droog]

You suggested in 648 you'd already explained
I suggested you hadn't
You then suggested you had... In 648

this is what i mean naomi

there is an explantion of his train of thought in part in that post. its this part here;

his insistence upon creating confusion, handwaving posts that don't necessarily conform to his own ideas, and posts such as 567 and 585 which directly demand specific players to state who they think are scum without providing any kind of context or rationalization don't help the town. The only possible reason that a player would make these kinds of moves are if they are scum or some other kind of anti-town role. Either way I am in favor of a lynch.

that explanation happened in 648
awa also alleged that she had 'already explained' what was wrong with my arguments
when i suggested she hadnt
she suggested she had, in 648

i dont know how to break this down any further
awa suggested she'd refuted x a first time, and then refuted x a second time
i suggested she never refuted x the first time
she said she did... when she refuted it the second time

[Naomi-Tan]

well if they answered then or later, I have seen them answer