Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[wgeurts]

VOTE: Anenenin
Scum found lets lynch now, my case will be up later for this.
Also, mayate is now also in my town list.

[insanity018]

Anenin,

[Removed ongoing games reference ~insanity]

He's sheeped dino and it seems like the general oppinion at that point was against amy. He could of voted in his first catch-up however he waited so that he could see how it would go. When he saw Dino go for it he joined, as scum this is a great position to set yourself up early game.
@An,
Why didn't you vote straight away, why didn't you also factor in her being a noob?

[Mathdino]

I appreciate that I know enough of wgeurts's meta to recognise this. I recognised 'scum found' as something wgeurts said in 574 as scum.

Now, I'm not reading based on a phrase. But this got me to thinking. wgeurts in that game was an extreme tunneler, his confidence in his scumreads being off the charts. Town wgeurts, on the other hand, I've seen as far more careful, uses qualifiers, fencesits a bit and uses slightly wishy-washy wording. I don't like this. I'll get back on the Amy wagon if necessary but I think my vote's better served here.

UNVOTE: Amy
VOTE: wgeurts

Also, the above post is nowhere near strong enough or inconsistent with town to warrant that level of confidence.

[Mathdino]

EBWOP: The above post is nowhere near strong enough nor are Anen's actions inconsistent with town to warrant that level of confidence.

[farside22]

Wgert: I have no clue what you are saying.

Ebwop:

Dino: why did you link wgert post history?

[Mathdino]

Dammit, I searched the phrase "scum found" in his post history, lemme try that again.
Okay turns out you can't link a search. Basically I saw him saying 'scum found' and I got a flashback of the last game.

[Aneninen]

First of all, is Amy an alt? If so, whose?

Knowing town's opinions on the subject, along with possibly ferreting out the town roles via the discussion, would help scum choose which role of the pair to claim. Just because scum have daytalk doesn't mean they won't discuss a topic with town in the open.

Like. ^_^

I am not confident enough in this wagon.
If it hits l-1 I will Unvote. O

We should remember this when/if Amy flips scum.

Anenin,
Is a newb, total of 112 posts and this is her second game. Anenenin knows of this game so he should know she's a newb, his vote was also amazingly convienient. He's sheeped dino and it seems like the general oppinion at that point was against amy. He could of voted in his first catch-up however he waited so that he could see how it would go. When he saw Dino go for it he joined, as scum this is a great position to set yourself up early game.
@An,
Why didn't you vote straight away, why didn't you also factor in her being a noob?

She's either a noob or an alt, right now we don't know the answer for that. Her speculating posts are scummy regardless of her experience level. I know that Day1 reads often lead to mislynches but right now, she's the strongest scumread of mine. By the way, if my case were

that

bad, noone would have agreed with it.
Also, whenever I catch up in multiple posts I vote in the last part. You can check my meta for that if you wish, eg. the games I replaced in are perfect examples.

I appreciate that I know enough of wgeurts's meta to recognise this. I recognised 'scum found' as something wgeurts said in 574 as scum.

Now, I'm not reading based on a phrase. But this got me to thinking. wgeurts in that game was an extreme tunneler, his confidence in his scumreads being off the charts. Town wgeurts, on the other hand, I've seen as far more careful, uses qualifiers, fencesits a bit and uses slightly wishy-washy wording. I don't like this. I'll get back on the Amy wagon if necessary but I think my vote's better served here.

Well, that "scum found" part was indeed fishy.
However, I'm not convinced right now that Wgeurts is scum. We need more posts from him.

[Mathdino]

I did a quick search, Amy's not experienced, let's take that off the table.

I understand your doubt on the wgeurts thing, so I'll just go ahead and page

Alchemist

droog

Anyone who's played with wgeurts of both alignments

I want to confirm this, because I think this is a valid tell.

[Venrob]

UNVOTE:
Still had an rvs vote out.

OK, so i've caught up a bit... and honestly the only thing I'm getting as far as reads is mathdino seems townie to me. I don't have the time right now to make a big post or anysuch or to read into peoples posts and analyze, but I will be back later today for a better read of the game. Just got up, haven't even had breakfast yet but wanted to make a post while I had a minute.

[Romitelli]

Anem suggested amy was scummy
For being concerned with which picks are bests for scum

Scum have day talk
I don't see why scum would ask the public
When they could discuss in private

Fake speculation? Adding to an ongoing discussion just to appear active?

Dammit, I searched the phrase "scum found" in his post history, lemme try that again.
Okay turns out you can't link a search. Basically I saw him saying 'scum found' and I got a flashback of the last game.

This is the "scum found" post: #569.

It was midway through day 2, his day 1 play seems different from this one.

I'll also
UNVOTE:

[wgeurts]

My main point is anen managed to slip onto a wagon and claimed some soft-meta on her with an ongoing game. That meta was wrong and I really don't want this to happen. Anyway, I don't have a lot to go off and yes my scum find is slightly non-serious. We need to however get discussion going as it's stalled around page 6. The scum will of cause lurk in this as it benefits them. So yeah, my vote is basicaly summed up as "Anen seems oportunistic". It's day 1 and we need discussion, get it going.

[wgeurts]

Ah, anen responded.
Could you consider the possibility of her being scared as noob with her being vigilante or something. That's my paranoia, if we lynch her she could be a legit town vig. What draft was she again?

[wgeurts]

Someone speak with meh.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Help I don't know what to post.

[davesaz]

Someone speak with meh.

I'm having trouble following your case. Could you lay it out with a bit more structure, like the progression of posts you saw?

[davesaz]

Help I don't know what to post.

Was this meant to be first person, as in you don't know what to post, or sarcasm about wgeurts?

[farside22]

My main point is anen managed to slip onto a wagon and claimed some soft-meta on her with an ongoing game. That meta was wrong and I really don't want this to happen. Anyway, I don't have a lot to go off and yes my scum find is slightly non-serious. We need to however get discussion going as it's stalled around page 6. The scum will of cause lurk in this as it benefits them. So yeah, my vote is basicaly summed up as "Anen seems oportunistic". It's day 1 and we need discussion, get it going.

I didn't see anen using any meta when he put a case on amy.

[davesaz]

Anyway, I don't have a lot to go off and yes my scum find is slightly non-serious.

How convenient. No, I didn't repeat my meta, I was just joking.

We need to however get discussion going as it's stalled around page 6. The scum will of cause lurk in this as it benefits them. So yeah, my vote is basicaly summed up as "Anen seems oportunistic". It's day 1 and we need discussion, get it going.

I agree that things are going slowly. Not pleased at all with there being 2-3 lurky slots already.

[davesaz]

I did a quick search, Amy's not experienced, let's take that off the table.

I understand your doubt on the wgeurts thing, so I'll just go ahead and page

Alchemist

droog

Anyone who's played with wgeurts of both alignments

I want to confirm this, because I think this is a valid tell.

[Removed ongoing games reference ~insanity

]

[Aneninen]

Davesaz, I know that you didn't want to break any of the site rules, but that post was against them.

MOD: We need a post deletion at 168 and 169 – thanks and sorry!

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Me.

I don't have a clue what to say.

Don't really like the way math distances from the amy wagon after leaving it...

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.3

Amy Farrah Fowler

(4): Siveure DtTrikyp, Aneninen, droog, Flubbernugget

wgeurts

(2): Alchemist21, Mathdino

gangsta_duck41

(1): davesaz

Alchemist21

(1): farside22

Romitelli

(1): gangsta_duck41

Aneninen

(1): wgeurts

Flubbernugget

(1): Hayate Yagami

Not Voting

(3): Venrob, Romitelli, Amy Farrah Fowler

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-06 20:00:00)

[insanity018]

Thread locked while I check for ongoing games discussion.

[insanity018]

wgeurts and davesaz have been warned for mentioning ongoing games.

All players are reminded that it is against site rules for ongoing games to be discussed at all. Pretend that those games do not exist.

I'll extend the deadline when I get home.

[Mathdino]

Ah, anen responded.
Could you consider the possibility of her being scared as noob with her being vigilante or something. That's my paranoia, if we lynch her she could be a legit town vig. What draft was she again?

Okay, so on one hand, we have legit and somewhat helpful setup spec with regards to what roles scum tend to pick, what to look out for, what the plan is if someone claims vig/vengeful...
and on the other hand, we have wgeurts directly speculating the role of someone based on something they said.

Me.

I don't have a clue what to say.

Don't really like the way math distances from the amy wagon after leaving it...

Point out the distancing. If you mean my comments on Amy being inexperienced, that has nothing to do with my thoughts on the wagon and I'm not really quite sure how relevant her experience level is to her scumminess.
Like I said, I'd get back on the Amy wagon in a moment's notice, but I'm putting a vote on wgeurts because Amy already has pressure and I want to push wgeurts to better his case on Aneninenanoneninynoninunanonymous.