Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Mathdino]

GOT IT SCRIPTEN!

This works whether or not you die.

Flip a coin. If heads, you neighborize me. If tails, you don't. PM the mod if you can target yourself or other players and it's even better.
Pine tracks you and if he gets it wrong, he dies immediately tomorrow.

[Scripten]

You're still assuming we lynch BBT today, Math. I'm not sure I like that.

I also am becoming more and more unhappy with being buddied this hard.

[fferyllt]

{Pine, Fferyllt} - Both scum fakeclaim and drive to have town!BBT lynched via town "certainty."

This one is predicated on you being the only PR in the game. Aside from knowing you're wrong because I can read my role PM, it's hard to see why you'd advance a case that requires you to be the only town PR.

If you're just spinning paranoid wheels, I get that. But try to keep it in the realm of what makes sense set-up wise.

[fferyllt]

GOT IT SCRIPTEN!

This works whether or not you die.

Flip a coin. If heads, you neighborize me. If tails, you don't. PM the mod if you can target yourself or other players and it's even better.
Pine tracks you and if he gets it wrong, he dies immediately tomorrow.

will you please answer my damn question?

[Mathdino]

The possible scumteams objectively right now:
Scripten/BBT
Pine/BBT
Pine/Mathdino
BBT/fferyllt

Literally nothing else is possible.

Why do you have pine and bbt as a possible team?

Why not? This is pure unadulterated PoE. Scripten can ONLY be scum with BBT because he'd have won otherwise.

Edit: Buddying as in thinking you're town, or trying to appeal to you? The former I already explained: I want to believe this game is not terrible. The latter, well, yeah I'm assuming we lynch BBT because it's over if we don't. No harm in planning tomorrow and I kind of need you for the tracker plan.

Edit: fferyllt I already did.

[Mathdino]

fferyllt I want to note that tracker+watcher is EXTREMELY OP for town, even more so than 2 cops. Scripten/BBT is just not likely.

[fferyllt]

Why not? This is pure unadulterated PoE. Scripten can ONLY be scum with BBT because he'd have won otherwise.

wincon > motivation > in-thread behavior.

Of all the possible moves that a pine/bbt team could have made to sew up this game in day 3 lylo, why did they choose to kill beck and have pine vote bbt right out of the chute?

[fferyllt]

fferyllt I want to note that tracker+watcher is EXTREMELY OP for town, even more so than 2 cops. Scripten/BBT is just not likely.

a scum ninja would confound both. That's the only way I see pine as town here. But what I'm trying to figure out is why YOU think a pine/bbt team make any sense at all.

[Mathdino]

1. I already explained how the Beck kill makes BBT scum since scum should reasonably expect Beck to destroy the town with his first vote if BBT were town.
2. Pine had a tracker fakeclaim. He could've tracked me, you, or BBT to the kill. 'Tracking' you would've made it a 1v1 between you two, which you'd probably have won since everyone hated Pine yesterday.
From there, all I can say is I find the probability of Pine winning a 3p LyLo after outing BBT as scum more likely than Pine winning a 5p LyLo by trying to get me lynched.
Again, towncred.

Edit: I don't see why you're so intent to rule it out.

[Scripten]

This one is predicated on you being the only PR in the game. Aside from knowing you're wrong because I can read my role PM, it's hard to see why you'd advance a case that requires you to be the only town PR.

If you're just spinning paranoid wheels, I get that. But try to keep it in the realm of what makes sense set-up wise.

I'm not very happy with that case, for sure. I'd like to think you're town. But I also did not die last night. It's WIFOM to an extent, but it worries me.

Actually, wait, you're right, Mathdino. If Pine is town, then the scumteam is Fferyllt/BBT. It HAS to be, since Pine would have that guilty. Scum!Pine is the tough nut to crack.

Buddying as in thinking you're town, or trying to appeal to you? The former I already explained: I want to believe this game is not terrible. The latter, well, yeah I'm assuming we lynch BBT because it's over if we don't. No harm in planning tomorrow and I kind of need you for the tracker plan.

A Pine/Mathdino scumteam is reasonable, though.


Some thoughts...

If Mathdino is town, then BBT is scum, and vice versa. They must be unaligned, due to the fakeclaims requiring scum in {Pine, Fferyllt}
If Pine is town, the scumteam is undeniably Fferyllt/BBT.

[Mathdino]

Did no one else notice BBT trying to push Scripten when from BBT's standpoint Scripten should be confirmed town?
Seriously?
No one noticed that?

[Scripten]

I noticed, Mathdino.

Fferyllt:

What are you trying to accomplish with this ninja discussion. There's no scum ninja.

[fferyllt]

I had an on my way out the door epiphany.

I claimed in the neighborhood as a test. If I died night 2 given the level of suspicion I was under, then there was a really strong likelihood that the town player in the neighborhood would see that. I said what I did/would do with my role on night 2, but there was no guarantee for scum that I'd speak true plans or that I wouldn't reconsider. I did reconsider, but decided to stick with my plan.

So, scripten is town, I feel very sure of that. There is no way that the three PRs on the table are in this game/all town. Way, way too overpowered.

Pine is scum.

I think that Mathdino is his partner, but I am less certain of that.

I'm not putting a vote down yet.

[Scripten]

I'm highly bothered by Fferyllt's tactics right now, considering she knows why I didn't die last night. This does not smell like town-motivated scumhunting to me.

Fferyllt:

I'm not actually a bulletproof Neighborizer. I lied. Apologies to you and beck, since I dislike doing so, but it was necessary.

Now, let us all collectively lose our minds.

[Scripten]

To clarify, I am a Neighborizer. I am not, however, bulletproof.

[fferyllt]

I noticed, Mathdino.

Fferyllt:

What are you trying to accomplish with this ninja discussion. There's no scum ninja.

Yeah, I'm coming around to this.

I play by looking for all the ways players could be town and then narrowing down the ones that don't make sense. I didn't have the time, energy or mental wherewithal to do the kind of day 2 analysis and play I needed to do, and I didn't feel an urgency to somehow make it happen anyway because I depended too much on being a PR and possibly cracking the game that way.

p-edit

crap. you claiming bullet-proof is why I finally decided that Pine can't possibly be town. :/

[fferyllt]

I really have to go now. I'll try to stay semi caught up by phone.

[Mathdino]

You told fferyllt you were a BP neighborizer and you didn't die?

Gonna have to agree with you there, could very well see fferyllt as scum given the last post. However, I don't really give a shit, because I want to do the tracking test.

Stop running in circles with the scumteam stuff guys. Once again, possible scumteams are:
Pine/BBT
fferyllt/BBT
Scripten/BBT
Pine/Mathdino
^That's IT. No more. If you're in the above list, cross any pairing with your name out.

[Mathdino]

What this means is, Pine and I must vote BBT, fferyllt and BBT must vote Pine (unless fferyllt wants to think Scripten/BBT makes any sense), and as such Scripten's gonna be the deciding factor here.

[fferyllt]

Consider my vote on Pine I guess. I was so excited that scripten was bullet proof. It gave town a very slight sliver of leeway to mess up today and still have a chance to win.

[Mathdino]

fferyllt I kind of want you to vote Pine just to further prove that Scripten is town.

[Scripten]

There was no way for me to ensure that I did not have scum in my hood. I used my claim to protect myself. With Beck, it wasn't necessary. I'm starting to wonder about last night, though.

There're three possible scumteams, from my POV:

Pine/Mathdino
Pine/BBT
Fferyllt/BBT

PEDIT: Yeah, what Mathdino said. God I hate responsibility.

Also, NO TOWNIE VOTES PLS. Scum can easily jump on a wagon without a second thought.

I have to go, but I don't want to come back to a town loss.

[fferyllt]

he is town. I don't believe I'd be alive today if the neighborhood had contained scum.

[Mathdino]

Then vote Pine. I have no motivation to hammer or vote anyone other than BBT today. If Scripten votes Pine, that's gonna be the lynch anyway.

[fferyllt]

something I meant to point out is that given the neighborhood doesn't have day chat, I doubt that scum have day chat either. Doesn't prevent a planned 1-2 hammer, but it makes it a little dicier;