In post 223, davesaz wrote:In post 222, Aneninen wrote:
– or, you could have talked about OTHER PRs too. A I the only one who noticed that there had been a lot of talk about the Vig and the Vengeful while basicly nothing about other PRs?
Are you sure about that?
In post 225, Aneninen wrote:In post 223, davesaz wrote:In post 222, Aneninen wrote:
– or, you could have talked about OTHER PRs too. A I the only one who noticed that there had been a lot of talk about the Vig and the Vengeful while basicly nothing about other PRs?
Are you sure about that?
I didn't say that it would have been a good idea. I only said it would have been less scummy if she had done that.
In post 206, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:On the other hand, I don't like him dragging the theory discussion on and on, and while we did still get game-related posts from him, it seems like an easy way to beef up one's ISO and natter on about something that looks like participation.
In post 201, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Regarding the second point, there was hardly anything else I had to talk about. And if you can't beat them then join them. I don't want to lurk about at the start of a game.
In post 159, Romitelli wrote:Fake speculation? Adding to an ongoing discussion just to appear active?
In post 222, Aneninen wrote:Your readlist in 206 is WTF?! It looks as if you had chosen three players randomly so as to post something about them.
In post 206, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:While I can be assed to do this, let's make a small reads list,right now of the people who have posted within the last houras of typing this line up.
In post 182, Aneninen wrote:
In post 174, Mathdino wrote:In post 161, wgeurts wrote:Ah, anen responded.
Could you consider the possibility of her being scared as noob with her being vigilante or something. That's my paranoia, if we lynch her she could be a legit town vig. What draft was she again?
Okay, so on one hand, we have legit and somewhat helpful setup spec with regards to what roles scum tend to pick, what to look out for, what the plan is if someone claims vig/vengeful...
and on the other hand, we have wgeurts directly speculating the role of someone based on something they said.
MathDino, you've got a point.
Wgeurts, I posted before that I doubt that Amy would be town-Vig or town-Vengeful. As a noob, she'd hard-claim that or she wouldn't talk about that at all.
In post 175, davesaz wrote:Sorry about that.
Moving right along, is there an actual case against Amy? Or we're shaking the trees to see what falls out? I'm not necessarily against that, but would like to know what the wagon is about.
I posted my case, eg. in 118...
In post 177, Alchemist21 wrote:I'm more concerned with how he attacked Ane for sheeping Dino on Amy, yet Droog openly admitted to sheeping someone on the wagon, and Wgeurts is calling him town. The double standard there doesn't sit well with me.
Hmmm... that's a good question.
In post 222, Aneninen wrote:In post 201, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Let me get this clear:
I am being voted because
- My setup speculation was interpreted as scummy behaviour.
- I mentioned my dislike of setup speculation and yet did so.
So, let's discuss the aforementioned points.
Does research prove that scum do what I did much more often than town? I saw a point (by mathdino) and chose to oppose it. I dislike the principle that if one claims a role they are automatically biased towards being scum. I opposed it and I guess I got myself into this.
Regarding the second point, there was hardly anything else I had to talk about. And if you can't beat them then join them. I don't want to lurk about at the start of a game. Am I not allowed to do something I dislike? It's not an 'it's scummy' type of dislike, but more of an 'ehh this is boring' dislike.
(1) I haven't done a research like that but I do know that early-speculations help more the scum than the town.
(2) Noone has told that there are "auto-town" or "auto-scum" roles. What really disturbed me that you were trying to explain the possible town-uses of certain roleswithouteven mentioning that towns may choose PRs that are more beneficial for the scum so as to keep them away off those PRs.
(3) Why do you assume that there were only two possibilities: lurking and talking about the setup? You could have talked about anything else. Here are some examples:
– you could have started analysing others' posts
– you could have asked others why they chose their draft numbers (it happened in the abandoned game I was in)
– or, you could have talked about OTHER PRs too. A I the only one who noticed that there had been a lot of talk about the Vig and the Vengeful while basicly nothing about other PRs?
In post 202, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Y'know, it's funny you noticed that. I'm assuming that most games here don't have daytalk, or in any case I didn't know this one did. It usually takes scum to know of something that scum has. Do you play this setup a lot?
It is written on the wiki that scums have daytalk. Anyone can know that and anyone can fake (who hasn't played this setup before) that they don't know that.
Your readlist in 206 is WTF?! It looks as if you had chosen three players randomly so as to post something about them.
In post 234, Romitelli wrote:@Droog,I'd like your opinion on the scenarios I proposed to you in 159.
@Amy.
I feel that this statement:
In post 206, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:On the other hand, I don't like him dragging the theory discussion on and on, and while we did still get game-related posts from him, it seems like an easy way to beef up one's ISO and natter on about something that looks like participation.
Contradicts heavily with this previous statement:
In post 201, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:Regarding the second point, there was hardly anything else I had to talk about. And if you can't beat them then join them. I don't want to lurk about at the start of a game.
You're saying that Mathdino is scummy for dragging out the setup spec discussion just to "beef up" his ISO, yet you previously said you had joined such discussion in the first place because there was nothing else to talk about and you didn't want to lurk.
How are these two situations any different?
In post 194, wgeurts wrote:Ah ok thanks.
Mathdino who do you think are scum?
Also thoughts on the lurkers?
I feel like we should pressure them to get discussion.
In post 236, droog wrote:In post 222, Aneninen wrote:Your readlist in 206 is WTF?! It looks as if you had chosen three players randomly so as to post something about them.
amy admitted such
In post 206, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:While I can be assed to do this, let's make a small reads list,right now of the people who have posted within the last houras of typing this line up.
In post 238, droog wrote:
i honestly dont know what
something about how each of these responses is agreeable
to the person anem's responding to
In post 239, Amy Farrah Fowler wrote:
(1) Right. Other people were speculating too, and I didn't know about what helps who. Speculation seems pretty neutral to me.
(2) The town choice thing didn't occur to me. This is the first time I'm playing this setup, so I don't really know the current meta regarding this. I just went with what was in my head at the time.
(3) Analysing people's posts - and say what about them. I had nothing to say at that point.
(4) Asking others - why? I don't see the point.
(5) Talk about other PRs - and have you or someone else accuse me of rolefishing or whatever they'd feel like calling me out on? Mathdino talked about the vig and the vengeful, so I decided to discuss that and say what I thought of them. I didn't just randomly pick roles out and talk about them y'know.
(6) I don't typically read the full wiki page of each setup I play so it didn't occur to me that the scum talk differed from the norm. Say what you want about that.
(7) My readslist was about recent posters as of when I started typing up because long reads lists are boring to write and even more boring to read. I didn't pluck out random people, so read the full post before calling me out.
(8) And if you say that setup spec helps scum more than town then call mathdino out if you're looking for someone who talked about the setup.
