Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[insanity018]

Vote Count 1.5

wgeurts

(4): Alchemist21, Mathdino, davesaz, Siveure DtTrikyp

Amy Farrah Fowler

(3): Aneninen, droog, Flubbernugget

Alchemist21

(1): farside22

Flubbernugget

(1): Hayate Yagami

Not Voting

(5): TheAdrienC, wgeurts, Romitelli, Venrob, Amy Farrah Fowler

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

farside22 is V/LA until friday
Aneninen is LA

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: guts

Sheeping dino. I town read him and I suck at mafia right now.

[TheAdrienC]

I haven't caught up yet, but Nugget hopping from one wagon to another is something that makes me uncomfortable.

[Flubbernugget]

I like when ppl doubtcast without trying to peg my alignment.

[insanity018]

Replacing Hayate Yagami, who hasn't picked up their prod.

Update: Ankamius replaces Hayate Yagami. Please welcome him!

[Ankamius]

Hi.

Unfortunately, it will be a little bit of time before I can catch up. Thanksgiving is in two days and the single worst day of the year for my workplace is tomorrow, so absolute worst case scenario, I won't be able to read until Friday. I'll try to do it tomorrow, though.

[Ankamius]

Oh hey, there's a large amount of people in this game I've played with before. Hi wgeurts/davesaz/Alchemist21/Aneninen/AdrienC/farside22. I feel like I played with Venrob too at some point but I don't remember which game.

[wgeurts]

Alchemist where's my double standard,
Anen, why would noob hard-claim?

I assumed wgeurts would read back and find the answer to this, but since he hasn't replied I'll repeat it.

124 - Droog openly sheeps Anem's case on Amy.

133 - Wgeurts calls Droog Town.

151 - Wgeurts votes Ane for sheeping Mathdino's case on Amy.

Now my question to wgeurts: Why do you think it's scummy for Ane to sheep Mathdino but not for Droog to sheep Ane? Also, it doesn't look at all like Ane sheeped Mathdino's case in the first place, so I don't know how you even came to that conclusion.

Anenenin had convieniently done it in his catch-up, it was either dripping with conf-bias or it was a fully intentional scum way to join the wagon. Both aren't good, droog however I was already town reading. My vote on Anen wasn't because he sheeped, it was more how he did it and a lot of gut.

[wgeurts]

Ah ok thanks.
Mathdino who do you think are scum?
Also thoughts on the lurkers?
I feel like we should pressure them to get discussion.

Any special reason you didn't act on this idea of pressuring people? I find it to be very passive, and the one liners since then are even worse.
VOTE: wgeurts

I've been a little busy, however I'm rereading the game this time again (as i did with anen) and seeing what things catch my eye this time. The lurkers have also now mostly been replaced.

[wgeurts]

Why am I being voted?

[Mathdino]

Any special reason you didn't act on this idea of pressuring people? I find it to be very passive, and the one liners since then are even worse.
VOTE: wgeurts

UNVOTE: amy farrah fowler

Really not feeling this wagon any more.

I don't think conflicting or contradictory opinions makes her scummy, and there's not an enormous amount otherwise.

Also, Anen's latest post looks really confbiasy. So what if she's not scumhunting?

IN OTHER NEWS, dave has put down a non-rvs vote. This is BIG NEWS. Lets support this!

VOTE: wgeurts

VOTE: guts

Sheeping dino. I town read him and I suck at mafia right now.

This was too easy. Getting cold feet about the wgeurts wagon. I think there's scum in the above.
UNVOTE: wgeurts
Call it pseudoscience but wagons form easier on town than on scum. Gonna think about this and regroup.

[wgeurts]

Hahaha thanks dino for 249. He unvotes amy saying contradicting or conflicting oppinions don't make her scum then goes on to vote me for seemingly just that as that's the only case I can see.
VOTE: Siveure

[wgeurts]

I'll take a look at all three their ISO's when I have time.

[davesaz]

My vote is there because you don't seem to be scum hunting, and only for that reason.

[davesaz]

BTW, I had rejected voting wgeurts way back at 168 but screwed up the explanation.
There is town meta of him showing concern about lynching PRs. But I later thought his slow play was uncharacteristic of him as town. Cautious yes, but not slow.

I think Mathdino's jump off the wagon could be scum not wanting to remain first on the wagon if wgeurts flips town. The early vote could even be a catchphrase bus, with the wagon building as the reason to jump off and then be surprised if wgeurts flips scum. This gives me reason to watch Mathdino more closely, though not enough to tip the scales given how much pro-town activity he has had.

[droog]

I'll take a look at all three their ISO's when I have time.

why not dino's?
it would be very clever for scum
to unvote a wagon
and then say it's so fishy
it probably has scum on it

[Mathdino]

You're right droog, it would be.

But I'd also say it's clever for town, given the incredibly fishy 3 votes there. I don't think there's necessarily scum in any of the other votes, it's just the speed of the wagon in that one page that was actually pretty unprecedented that makes it weird for me. If wgeurts's play warrants voting him again in the future, then I'll do so, but right now it's making me real uncomfortable.

@davesaz: I wouldn't be surprised one bit if wgeurts flips scum. But it's still a wagon I don't want to be on right now given what just happened with those 3 votes. Call it paranoia. Like I said, that wagon was waaay too easy.

[davesaz]

That's similar to my reaction to the Amy wagon, though I didn't say anything about it.

[Flubbernugget]

I don't see how that helps your case.

[Mathdino]

The Amy wagon was different. It was more thought out, I think, and it developed pretty naturally over time. Most if not all the players on her wagon had fairly reasoned arguments and had interacted with her prior to voting.
wgeurts's is different, it was more spontaneous. I had almost no input on it since my votepost and somehow that spawned 4 more votes.

Also a bit uncomfortable with how I kickstarted literally every non RVS wagon this game. Flubbernugget, Amy, and now wgeurts. Looked at the VCs a bit and Flubber and Siveure are the only 2 people the wagons have in common.

Someone said something about Flubber's RVS meta. Can anyone who's played with him talk about him and provide links? Is he usually like this?

[droog]

how much is repurposing posts from [ongoing] allowed

[Mathdino]

Just give your read with no evidence or links.

[Alchemist21]

I was starting to feel a similar train of thought with both the wgeurts and Amy wagons last night. I don't think it's because the wagins were too easy, but because the wagons developed at around the same time and there were no counterwagons coming up.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubbernugget

This guy has been unproductive for town, and the, "I suck at mafia right now," excuse doesn't cut it for me.

Also, to anyone thinking Mathdino could have been bussing wgeurts, check the draft order. They took the same number, so there's no way they're scumbuddies.

Also, hi Ank! Welcome to the game.

[droog]

ive looked through flubber's games
he is just as "useless" in other town games

the one game he posted substance in, he was scum

[Mathdino]

I like when ppl doubtcast without trying to peg my alignment.

Too scummy to be scum, Alchemist. This is the kind of guy I'd want a meta and playstyle argument on before considering voting him again. Also the blatant sheeping. Scum tend to do it much more subtly.
Of course if he's usually way better than this we'll lynch his ass, but I just don't know right now.

Personally, I'm gonna go with Siveure and see where that takes me.
VOTE: Siveure

You're right, anyway, with the fact that the wgeurts wagon practically absorbed the Amy one. The lack of competition is bad.

Edit: Good. Well, not good, but I guess he's town.