Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over


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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:37 pm

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Votecount 1.7


Siveure DtTrikyp
(5): wgeurts, Mathdino, Alchemist21, Ankamius, davesaz
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(2): Siveure DtTrikyp, Flubbernugget
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(2): Amy Farrah Fowler, droog
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(1): farside22
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(1): Venrob

Not Voting
(3): Aneninen, TheAdrienC, Romitelli

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

farside22 is V/LA until Friday
Aneninen is LA
TheAdrienC is V/LA until Saturday
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:43 pm

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In post 310, Alchemist21 wrote:So you know your play is so bad it hurts you as Town, but instead of trying to fix it and get better, you try to excuse yourself like some kind of VI?


This is my attempt to fix my play.

Then you say it's ok for other players to not scumhunt. How exactly do you expect Town to find Scum? If you're Town you really need to step up your game.


Unless there's direct, played before meta, Luck. IMO scumhunting mostly comes down to chance/playstyle if you don't intimately know the difference between someone's scumplay and townplay.
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:45 pm

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Should probably get off wgeurts, but there's STILL no competing wagons lol.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:13 am

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Well there is amy, or you can vote yourself.
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:00 am

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Well, Siv is another person I am willing to vote, so since this looks like it's happening...

VOTE: Siv
L-2


Also, it seems that one of my friends has pissed off some serious hackers, and they may be coming after me.... so I'm going to give a preemptive
V/LA for a week
incase they take down my internet.
I'm back!
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:17 am

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anonymous does not have serious hackers anymore
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:25 am

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In post 322, Mathdino wrote:
In post 320, Alchemist21 wrote:Here's something else to consider. Siv is 4th in the draft order. If he's scum, I think there's a good chance he got his submitted role choice, and he would also likely be the highest scum in the draft order.

If he's town, this wagon would be an easy mislynch.

If he's scum and his draft pick returned Vanilla, then this might be a wagon where the scumteam will bus.

However, if he holds a key role for the scumteam, and we push the wagon harder, I think we'll see some ratalliation from the scum hoping to keep an important role for them in the game.

Dude you have no idea how many scumpoints you just got for if Siveure flips town. No idea.


The point of my post was to say we should pressure Siv to see if we get any scum resistance to the wagon.
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:29 am

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In post 329, Venrob wrote:Well, Siv is another person I am willing to vote, so since this looks like it's happening...

VOTE: Siv
L-2


Also, it seems that one of my friends has pissed off some serious hackers, and they may be coming after me.... so I'm going to give a preemptive
V/LA for a week
incase they take down my internet.

In post 330, droog wrote:anonymous does not have serious hackers anymore


It doesn't have to be Anonymous. There are people who can boot you offline if theh get your IP.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:54 am

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In post 331, Alchemist21 wrote:The point of my post was to say we should pressure Siv to see if we get any scum resistance to the wagon.

That's great. But the fact that you said that nullifies any and all behaviour toward the wagon because scum know what we're looking for. What if there's no resistance? Do we unvote him? What if Siveure's town? Now what?
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:37 am

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Even without resistance, I want to see others' opinions of Siv and why they are or aren't on the wagon. I'll continue my approach based on how Siv and others respond to the wagon.
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:39 am

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You don't understand. The very fact that you stated that plan means you'll get 0 results because mafia will change their play based on what'll get them suspected.

Which makes me think you're scum. It's faux scumhunting.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:56 am

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I still think a wagon analysis here is worth it, and I still think Siv is scum.
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:03 am

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You're trying to do wagon analysis based on a flip that hasn't even happened yet, while telling everyone exactly what you'll be looking for. I'm very much not confident I want to lynch you today since you're a PR but in any other situation this is the part where I'd be voting you.
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:18 am

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In post 298, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:
Amy, anen, NOBODY except you two find either of you scummy. If you really want the other guy lynched, you'll need to engage everyone else, and not just be arguing with the "scum".

Alrighty, sure.

Let's start with his initial serious vote, which was on me.
He's talking about my speculation of what would be beneficial to scum. The logic behind this is somewhat skewed. Surely part of figuring out the scum is figuring out their thought processes, and I was doing so. And there goes reason #1.
He's also supporting the notion of me saying a role isn't scummy as evidence. There is no connection to one being scum due to that, and that's trying way too hard to provide more evidence of which there is none.

She's trying to make a case out of nothing here.

I'm
trying to make a case out of nothing?

He also does something that I've notice a fair bit of from scum trying to fabricate evidence. He decided to inflate my mention of Venrob's unprompted mention of his game history as this huge case.
Well, of course it'll sound scummier if you inflate it to be a bigger deal then it was and then shoot that strawman down.

His responses as to why people find me scummy are a bunch of drivel, nuff said.

Finally he chose to unvote me, probably because he saw the depth of his case on me and realised that he wouldn't get anywhere.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:22 am

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isnt my vote on anem?
it should be, i said i thought he was scummy

VOTE: anem
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:24 am

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Prodding Romitelli


In post 329, Venrob wrote:Also, it seems that one of my friends has pissed off some serious hackers, and they may be coming after me.... so I'm going to give a preemptive
V/LA for a week
incase they take down my internet.


Got it. Hope you don't get hacked though!
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:31 am

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In post 329, Venrob wrote:Well, Siv is another person I am willing to vote, so since this looks like it's happening...

VOTE: Siv
L-2

This seems fishy. It reads like he's trying to be consistent with himself from earlier (saying he'd watch Flubber and Siv), not trying to scumhunt.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:01 pm

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Well.
That's the third wagon emerging very quickly. Someone (who has more time than me) should examine who the players were on all of these wagons, I mean Amy, Wgeurts and now Siveure.

@Siveure. You posted that you're vanilla. If you told which role had you gone for, would it help the town more than the scum? If so, please tell us the role you wanted to get!
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:02 pm

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*you had gone.
F-ck being tired.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:13 pm

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In post 342, Aneninen wrote:@Siveure. You posted that you're vanilla. If you told which role had you gone for, would it help the town more than the scum? If so, please tell us the role you wanted to get!

Oh dear.

See, a townie would tell Siveure their thoughts on what benefits whom and tell Siv to act accordingly.

This is a generic "do whatever benefits town" which allows him to avoid any suspicion for trying to ask Siv to do something.

I think we should look at Anenonenaninunonynonanonymous and Alchemist if Siveure is town.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:14 pm

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Personally, I don't care either way right now. At L-1 Siveure should probably give everything he has just for the future, but I really don't understand the premature claim.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:04 pm

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The premature claim is because I suspect the wagon will quickly go to l-1...

Tbh, I panic if I think there's a case on me. There were at least 3. Math sounded (and still does) like this was the lynch wagon.

Math, if first pick is scum, they're a good scum pr. Don't let someone being first pick stop you if you think they're scum.

And anen, please give me more credit than that. I've breadcrumbed it for you if you really want to know.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:39 pm

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Can you provide other examples of panicking and premature claiming please? I do believe this is the lynch wagon; I'm more confident in this than wgeurts and Amy. Amy's wagon gave me heebeejeebies and my argument on wgeurts was legitimately just meta, no idea wtf happened there.

Alchemist's behaviour is tied very much to his interaction with others. As such, I want a flip before I consider lynching a PR. His being a PR won't stop me from seriously considering him tomorrow if you flip town.

Scum is gonna work harder than town to figure out the breadcrumb, Siveure. Indicating that you've breadcrumbing it is tantamount to outing your pick to scum more than town. Just go ahead and say it.
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:58 pm

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In post 346, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:The premature claim is because I suspect the wagon will quickly go to l-1...

Tbh, I panic if I think there's a case on me. There were at least 3. Math sounded (and still does) like this was the lynch wagon.

Math, if first pick is scum, they're a good scum pr. Don't let someone being first pick stop you if you think they're scum.

And anen, please give me more credit than that. I've breadcrumbed it for you if you really want to know.


Why would you be breadcrumbing at all if you didn't get the role?
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:03 pm

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Can't find the breadcrumb, just tell us Siv. It's not like scum would lie about what role they went for (unless they went for an uber scummy role pair like vengeful/vig).

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