Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

[KittyCupCake]

I tried to understand why he couldn't agree with my need to explore my Pine read.

He explained this. He didn't want to probe null reads when there was more to go on with pasch.

Also why he couldn't understand that I had no desire to cease pushing Pasche like he was claiming.

This is probably because when mastin asked you to move your vote back to pasch, you said no.

The certainty of Pasche being scum annoyed me, because even I wasn't that sure, so I asked him where the certainty comes from. No answer.

He also asked you to explain your pasch read.... and got no response from you.

He didn't actually scumread Pasche.

I'm reading this post as negative towards pasch. Granted, it was obviously more about you, but I don't feel TW held pasch in high regard back here.

Then just read his push on me from that point onwards. See how he ignores the facts and changes the point to continue making sense. See his ridiculous ignoring of me. Think of a townie that is hard-tunneling on a suspect, try to put TW in that role and you will see it doesn't make sense.

I see a lot of you two talking past each other. And a lot of miscommunication. And tunneling each other.

TW, SH: Why don't you

both

give a brief explanation of your pasch read in your next post? That seems to be both a root of this issue, and a step in the right direction. Or we can pointlessly argue in circles for 20 more pages. But, I like this way.

[KittyCupCake]

Okay, I see TW beat me to that one a bit. But SH, how about sharing your read for once?

[Shiny Hydreigon]

Sigh, kitty. You don't want to take me seriously. You're just shrugging everything I say off. I can't do anything more than this, live with your wrong town-tunnel.

R~

[Shiny Hydreigon]

seriously, i can see exactly the way you think. You have decided I am a tunneling townie who is wrong and don't want to give the possibility I am right any thought.

R~

[Shiny Hydreigon]

and this is what house is hoping for. That people will stay on the surface, will think "okay two idiotic loud townies that tunnel on each other", and will not actually read the game in detail to see that he is scum. And I know I am to blame for this because I keep replying to every one of his posts, but still.

R~

[KittyCupCake]

You have decided I am a tunneling townie who is wrong

Mostly, I've decided that you're a bit of a hypocrite.

Expain.

Your

. Pasch. Read.

[Total Wreck]

And everything you are saying could just as well be coming from me.

But you are the one making all the noise, I am just responding to it.

[Total Wreck]

That was to SH.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

You have decided I am a tunneling townie who is wrong

Mostly, I've decided that you're a bit of a hypocrite.

Expain.

Your

. Pasch. Read.

you know what, no. vote me if you think im a hypocrite.

R~

[Total Wreck]

You have decided I am a tunneling townie who is wrong

Mostly, I've decided that you're a bit of a hypocrite.

Expain.

Your

. Pasch. Read.

you know what, no. vote me if you think im a hypocrite.

R~

Because you can't.

You just wanted to distance and hop off.

[KittyCupCake]

vote me if you think im a hypocrite.

I'm tempted. After all of this noise about TW not explaining his pasch read, you've yet to give any explanation to yours.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

So after me trying my best to explain to you this is not what happened, you insist that all this because of TW not explaining his pasch read.

I don't think you're town anymore, Kitty. I've started thinking you want to protect TW.

I can buy you town-tunneling on TW, I've seen people doing it. But insisting on such a ridiculous thing and misrepping the situation after I went out of my way to explain it to you? It looks more like you want to prove House's point right.

R~

[Total Wreck]

vote me if you think im a hypocrite.

I'm tempted. After all of this noise about TW not explaining his pasch read, you've yet to give any explanation to yours.

Wisdom hides behind his "I don't make cases b/s that he uses as town so he can distance and bus easier as scum.

He can also read me better than what he is doing here, he knows my dysfunctional town game (just read the chairman mafia game I linked).

That he is trying to sell me as scum here when he knew I was town there convinced me he's out for an easy mislynch.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

To explain that further, the thought process I thought you were having (and what most people probably have right now) is that this was TvT and I am wrong about House. No townie will ever think about

me

being scum here, because that's simply ridiculous. Yet you apparently are, and the only motivation I can see for that is to make people think that maybe House is right, thus reducing the probabilities of his lynch.

R~

[KittyCupCake]

So after me trying my best to explain to you this is not what happened, you insist that all this because of TW not explaining his pasch read.

That's not what I said. I didn't say it was the sole issue. But it is certainly

an

issue. Or are you going to claim that you

didn't

spend pages yelling about how TW wouldn't explain his suddenly strong read?

Okay. You did do that? Great. -Because now, I have some insight into TW's read. As opposed to nothing from you but excessive amounts of avoiding the issue.

Explain your pasch read.

[KittyCupCake]

Yet you apparently are, and the only motivation I can see for that is to make people think that maybe House is right, thus reducing the probabilities of his lynch.

And again, the only thing I'm reading you as, right now, is a fucking hypocrite.

[KittyCupCake]

You are not going to spend pages and pages screaming about TW not explaining his read, then post after post now avoiding doing the same.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

In order to think I am a hypocrite, you also need to think that I am scumreading people because they are not explaining his reads. In order to think that, you need to completely trash the long explanation where I explained that's not why I'm scumreading him. In order to trash that, you need to either hate me and have decided that you'll make my live as hard as you can, or have scum motivation.

R~

[KittyCupCake]

In order to think I am a hypocrite, you also need to think that I am scumreading people because they are not explaining his reads.

No. I think you are a hypocrite for screaming about others to give reads and not giving your own.

you need to either hate me

I'm getting pretty close to this, though.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

the thing is, i wasnt screaming at him to give reads because i wanted to know his reads. it was because I knew it was impossible to have the definite scumread he had from two posts, and i knew he wouldnt be able to explain it.

but of course you wont care about that difference

R~

[Total Wreck]

kitty, no offense, but i feel you havent read the exchange properly. did you see how strongly TW was talking about pasche being scum? no matter what player anyone is, this is not explainable. and this is why he's not explaining it.

No offense, but you don't have the experience I do. I've seen this all before. This is not unreasonable town behavior.

also romi is not scum. stop tunneling and look at other players.

Oh, he is (and maybe you should take a minute to look him over). Though, I'm still happy to move over to pasch.

If this is true, please do so and I will happily join you there.

[Total Wreck]

Then when Pasch flips scum, we can lynch SH for chainsawing me.

[KittyCupCake]

the thing is, i wasnt screaming at him to give reads because i wanted to know his reads. it was because I knew it was impossible to have the definite scumread he had from two posts, and i knew he wouldnt be able to explain it.

but of course you wont care about that difference

Oh, I understand. But now, I want to see yours. -Not because I actually want to know why you have that read, but just to make sure you actually have a reason. -Because, despite everything else, the excessive lengths you've now gone to avoid doing this is making me question things.

Seriously, it shouldn't be that hard to make a brief sentence or two regarding your read. Stop making everything so needlessly difficult.

If this is true, please do so and I will happily join you there.

UNVOTE: Romi
VOTE: Pasch

[Total Wreck]

VOTE: Pasch

For reasons stated.

[KittyCupCake]

Seriously, SH, had you just given you read when TW asked, I'm pretty sure he would have done the same and we could have avoided the last 10 pages of craziness. Or, we at least could have approached it in a more useful manner as you decided if his read was reasonable, instead of needing to assume it wasn't because he wouldn't give you anything, because you wouldn't either.