Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)

[droog]

you're not dying today goofball

[DrippingGoofball]

It's worth it if Tier hangs tomorrow.

[TierShift]

Right, but to convince other people you need to post reasons why I'm scum!

[Whomping Willow]

In that case DGB jpin the cw Tier is resisting

[GGG]

I don't like those posts either, but in terms of value to the town I think that DGB is more valuable than Willow. If we're talking about which scum to lynch (assuming that DGB is scum, which I'm not convinced of) then DGB is less obtuse than Willow, and if droog is telling the truth and is neighbors with DGB then the additional discussion may be useful, while we don't stand to lose any potential powers by lynching Willow.

No Lynch is the default, though desirable, right? I just want to make sure because some people seem to think that it's a most votes auto lynch at the end of the day.

I disagree, at this point any scum read is at best 50/50 so lynching someone even if I am town reading them is better than lynching no one. I will flip to hammer at the deadline.

That said get on board the DGB wagon. Your post about powers is dead wrong though neighbours, when the town knows their neighbours as very little utility. Therefore loosing a neighbour isn't a terrible loss powers wise. wW could be anything so in terms of risk to town power roles DGB is a better lynch. This however is a terrible reason to choose between two people day 1.

[droog]

It's worth it if Tier hangs tomorrow.

you are so sure tier is scum
you would rather be lynched
than lynch awa?

[AWA]

I am very reluctant to hop on the DGB wagon for the sole purpose of saving my own skin, since A.) I don't think I'm in danger of dying today, and B.) I don't think DGB is scum at the moment. Willow, droog, and Flubber are all wagons I can get behind, and if one starts on any of them I will join it, but I just can't support the DGB lynch. I haven't seen enough evidence to warrant changing my vote.

[droog]

right, but if you were about to be lynched
would you take any alternative wagon?

this is off-game theoryposting but
as either alignment almost any other lynch is better than my own

[AWA]

I frankly don't believe that three other people think that I'm scummy enough to lynch me for the sake of having a lynch. With that in mind, the question is reduced from, "Is DGB a valid enough alternative for me to change my vote to save my own skin?" to "Is DGB a valid enough scum target that I feel confident in lynching him at the risk of losing a townie?" The answer to the second question, for me, is no.

[droog]

ok awa play straight with me
let's pretend the entire argument between us and all offshoots never happened

ive said i would lynch ochris (though he needs a sub before lynching)
ive said i would lynch istott
ive said i would not lynch goofball

i know all your scumreads ar etied into 'theyre pushing what i think is a horrible case on e'
but if you took that away, what would the rest of your reads look like?
who would you lynch today

[AWA]

The problem with that is that you can't make that analysis in a vacuum. The whole point of interactions and arguments like that is to gauge peoples' reactions and posts and to evaluate their scumminess based on that. In my opinion, the people who came out of those exchanges looking scummy were you, Willow, and Flubber. You can't just make a hypothetical situation where all of that didn't happen and then say "Well what do you think now?"

[AWA]

Right now my vote on Willow isn't even based on his awful case, it's based more on his last 20 or so posts in which he does no scumhunting at all, only pushing for my lynch with no further explanation. 938, 956, 990, 992, 994, 1015 (my OMGUS? I have specifically not OMGUS'd), and 1097 all illustrate what I'm talking about.

[TierShift]

DGB I'll vote willow if you will

[droog]

we are not lynching willow

[Whomping Willow]

If we're talking scum motive Tier, can you explain my scum motive for not posting a case on AWA when it would be very easy for me to do so?

[DrippingGoofball]

you would rather be lynched
than lynch awa?

Erm no, if I'm going to be lynched I'll live happily ever after in the Dead PT. In the meantime I'm not voting someone I'm town-reading.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB I'll vote willow if you will

Why aren't you voting Flubber? You have read his posts, and found him townie???

[TierShift]

we are not lynching willow

why? Is he buddying you too hard for you to see?

If we're talking scum motive Tier, can you explain my scum motive for not posting a case on AWA when it would be very easy for me to do so?

I don't understand. Why do you take a single action of yourself and give me the task to extract scum motive from it?
As an answer to the question: I don't think there's much scum nor town motivation in that specific action.

[TierShift]

DGB I'll vote willow if you will

Why aren't you voting Flubber? You have read his posts, and found him townie???

I have shown a few instances where I strongly agreed with him. I'm not interested in voting him today. Your 1-man wagon is not looking good 16 hours to DL. Do something useful with your vote.

I still want to know why you scumread me.

[AWA]

If we're talking scum motive Tier, can you explain my scum motive for not posting a case on AWA when it would be very easy for me to do so?

Ridiculous. If you can make a case, then make it. If you can't, then don't bullshit. That it's supposedly trivial for you to post a damning case on me, yet you refuse to do it and vote me anyway, is scummy: You're making an arbitrary vote and pushing it, and setting yourself up for future arbitrary votes (and consequently arbitrary lynches) and you don't have to do a damn thing to justify yourself.

I don't see how more people aren't voting you right now.

[TierShift]

If we're talking scum motive Tier, can you explain my scum motive for not posting a case on AWA when it would be very easy for me to do so?

I only now understand what you're saying.

No, but I do find your constant discrediting and extreme focus on the awa lynch scummy.

[droog]

what about me

[TierShift]

i liked your towncall of the townbleeding post awa made

[TierShift]

that really bled town why are you still on there

[droog]

its 1 post vs 100 others