Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[farside22]

Amy wagon at this point is bad. The way she handles the pressure is town.
Siveure trying to discredit Mathdino leaving the wagon is slimy as hell. Nothing about his ISO really gives me any good iggly wigglies either.
Something about Venrob's reads sounds town. Probably because of the Amy townread. The feeling I get from his play is that he wouldn't just close off that avenue so easily as scum.
Romitelli does a good job at trying to appear like he's doing something while not doing anything.

Those are the main things that stood out to me.

I wanted the quote you mention siv discredit. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the only one to mention Dino leaving the wagon.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

For wgeurts.

Okay, having a little time I try to do something useful.

@Siveure. Who asked the question you answered the crumb for and where?

@Siveure. You posted that you're vanilla. If you told which role had you gone for, would it help the town more than the scum? If so, please tell us the role you wanted to get!

UNVOTE:
What if that was a town-flail from Amy?

Okay. I was going to make a big point here about how forced meta is utter crap, and how I was absolutely not going to try meta from games I didn't play in, but uh... I actually mostly lost the scumread on anen in isoing him.

Wait, alchemist. Yeah, not going into any meta on that.

[Ankamius]

Don't really like the way math distances from the amy wagon after leaving it...

[wgeurts]

wgeurts

Flubbernugget
droog
davesaz
Alchemist21
Ankamius
Amy Farrah Fowler

Siveure DtTrikyp

Aneninen
Romitelli
TheAdrienC
Mathdino

farside22

Venrob

Those that aren't bolded post your top 3 scum reads and provide reasons.

[farside22]

Anka:
He responded with his issue here

I did a quick search, Amy's not experienced,

let's take that off the table.

About math's distancy stuff, this.

Oh.



Let's take this off the table.

Why is it scummy? It's the only thing you pointed too and voted on.

[wgeurts]

Meta research:

Spoiler: Flubbernugget

His recent posts in all his game are similar to now. His most recent scum game (that I could find) was PokerFace's RITP and this is the link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6347805
I can't place my finger on it but it really doesn't feel similar to now. However he did lurk to LYLO so we should keep an eye on him. A policy lynch is also possible however I'd only support this if nothing pops up before the time limit.

Spoiler: Siv

I'm a lot more confident in my vote on him. I've looked at 5 of his games (Go to his wiki for a small (outdated?) list.).
As scum he plays as he is now, not following the game as much (his not knowing what to post and lurking.) catching up occasionally. As town he's a lot more active, you can see in his posts his train of thought. As town he is also a lot more invested and he seems to follow the game a lot more.

Spoiler: Romitelli

He's been more active in other games than this one. He seems rather new with 150ish total posts. He promised to catch up so I want to pressure him into actually doing crumpets.

Spoiler: Adrien

From his few posts he seems town according to his meta. However he must start posting soon or I'll pressure him too.

[wgeurts]

Failed the link, wow.

[TheAdrienC]

Best Buy has been kicking my ass. One of the things I'm uneasy about and I posted this before my V/LA is Flubbernugget wagon hopping right before I left. It gave me a vibe of "I'm not gonna win this lynch with Amy so I'm just going to hop on the next vanity wagon". And what was his reasoning? Oh, I suck at mafia so I'm just going to sheep someone. And now that another vanity wagon started and I posted something about his wagon hopping, he's openly supporting the Siv wagon, but not actually wanting to be on it.

So my top scum read now gets my vote.

Vote: Flubbernugget

[Ankamius]

Anka:
He responded with his issue here

I did a quick search, Amy's not experienced,

let's take that off the table.

About math's distancy stuff, this.

Oh.



Let's take this off the table.

Why is it scummy? It's the only thing you pointed too and voted on.

Because when you backtrack on the primary point you made on someone maybe being scum and then just don't do anything for forever while making excuses as to why you're not, that gives me the signal that he's afraid of making a scummy case that will bite him in the ass.

[Aneninen]

/OFF

Hail Nehalennia ! Wijs de weg !

/ON

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Siv
I'm a lot more confident in my vote on him. I've looked at 5 of his games (Go to his wiki for a small (outdated?) list.).
As scum he plays as he is now, not following the game as much (his not knowing what to post and lurking.) catching up occasionally. As town he's a lot more active, you can see in his posts his train of thought. As town he is also a lot more invested and he seems to follow the game a lot more.

Okay, three things.

1) Have I lurked this game?
2) Thanks for reminding me to update my wiki. (Yes it's outdated, but not by much. I went on hiatus for a while in late 2013 - early 2014 so there are literally no games to put in for like 6-9 months)
3) My train of thought is usually imo both transparent and as town, weird as hell, so effectively opaque because nobody thinks town-siv would think what town-siv thinks. As scum it's just pushing a scum agenda.

Pedit: wtf?

[Aneninen]

WTF?

You all wish

Happy Thanksgiving !

and noone bats an eye.
I say

Hail Nehalennia !

and everyone loses their minds. ^_^

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Uh?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Holy crap my wiki was outdated before I went on hiatus. YIKES.

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.11

Siveure DtTrikyp

(5): Alchemist21, Ankamius, davesaz, Venrob, wgeurts

Alchemist21

(3): Siveure DtTrikyp, farside22, Mathdino

Aneninen

(2): Amy Farrah Fowler, droog

wgeurts

(1): Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget

(1): TheAdrienC

Not Voting

(2): Aneninen, Romitelli

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

Aneninen is LA
Venrob is possibly V/LA for one week
Alchemist21 is V/LA for the weekend
davesaz is V/LA until Sunday evening

[insanity018]

Romitelli has been prodded.

[TheAdrienC]

Can someone summarize the case on Siv in one post? Why is he at L-3? Why should we be lynching him and should the rest of us be joining that lynch or fighting it?

[droog]

im still rooting for an anem compromise lynch

[droog]

also i didnt say hi before that was rude of me
hey adrien

[Flubbernugget]

He wasn't trying to excuse his play in the last pyp.

Why is that scummy?

Not playing to town meta, not taking responsibility for his actions, playing defensively, etc, etc.

Are you asking this out of disagreement or asking out of thinking I'm a moron?

I'm missing what your putting down.
How does not excusing his play in pyp make him scummy this game?

Why does he have a self-preservation mentality he didn't have as town?

[Flubbernugget]

Best Buy has been kicking my ass. One of the things I'm uneasy about and I posted this before my V/LA is Flubbernugget wagon hopping right before I left. It gave me a vibe of "I'm not gonna win this lynch with Amy so I'm just going to hop on the next vanity wagon". And what was his reasoning? Oh, I suck at mafia so I'm just going to sheep someone. And now that another vanity wagon started and I posted something about his wagon hopping, he's openly supporting the Siv wagon, but not actually wanting to be on it.

So my top scum read now gets my vote.

Vote: Flubbernugget

I feel like this is a catch 22 read.

[TheAdrienC]

That's just how I see it. I didn't expect you to support it.

[Flubbernugget]

But why should I think you're seeing it from a town perspective.

[davesaz]

Back from my road trip. Apparently very little has changed.

[wgeurts]

wgeurts

Flubbernugget
droog
davesaz
Alchemist21
Ankamius
Amy Farrah Fowler

Siveure DtTrikyp

Aneninen
Romitelli
TheAdrienC
Mathdino

farside22

Venrob

Those that aren't bolded post your top 3 scum reads and provide reasons.