Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[insanity018]

Vote Count 1.12

Siveure DtTrikyp

(5): Alchemist21, Ankamius, davesaz, Venrob, wgeurts

Alchemist21

(2): farside22, Mathdino

Aneninen

(2): Amy Farrah Fowler, droog

wgeurts

(1): Flubbernugget

Romitelli

(1): Siveure DtTrikyp

Flubbernugget

(1): TheAdrienC

Not Voting

(2): Aneninen, Romitelli

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

Aneninen is LA.
Venrob is V/LA until December 8

[davesaz]

Not so sure of my read on Ankamius. All of his scum reads seem opportunistic and/or shallow. The strong town read on Alchemist is also pretty shallow.

[insanity018]

Seeking a replacement for Romitelli who hasn't picked up his prod.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay then

VOTE: alchemist

[Aneninen]

Mini-answer.
Wgeurts, I noted your question and I try to take a quick look at everyone.

Venrob.

Less content than it appears. Focuses on too few players. Unsorted–lean scum.

MathDino.

What an amount of effort is made by him! He's examining everything, pays attention to everyone and tries to lead the town. I would say that he's probably town... but I've got a bad intuition about him. If he's scum he won't be the first one who falls, I'm sure. I don't think he's be a good lynch Today anyway so let's see how the game goes on later. Probably town (logic) / probably scum (weak intuition plus he has been on all of the three wagons so far).

Siveure.

Am I the only one who thinks that his crumb which was:

"Also @ anyone who metas me and has a question they really shouldn't ask me, the answer is either "Yes" or "No", depending on what you ask. And this is probably way too blatant."

– could mean anything? That "Yes" or "No" is a possible answer for many things. He said that he would lurk until the wagon would disappear (425) but it hasn't happened. Worried about the stall of the game in 480 and that didn't happen in the abandoned game I met him. I didn't like 503 either, Doc

could

be chosen by the first three players in the draft. Lean scum–probably scum.

Davesaz.

Null, and I'm not talking about him for the same reason as he's not talking about me. Sorry.

Amy.

My former scumread. But, her later posts may have been town-flails and "mirror-scumreading" someone is more likely a newbtown-tell than a scum-tell. Therefore, lean town. (We should keep in mind that the scums have daytalk and she may have been coached there if she's scum.)

Druuge.

Multiple issues. If Amy happens to be scum, he must have done a Chainsaw. In his opinion I was tunnelling Amy yet he has been doing the same to me, also thinks that I'm a good "compromise lynch" in 467, which is weird. Also, a couple of disturbing things like "'your argument is bad but you're still probably town' is a classic scum defense" in 498, I'm sure that the thing he asked in 370 had already been explained by me before... however, there are caveats, like: he posted something similar in 371 that I did above. Plus, he's been away from most wagons. Lean scum.

Alchemiss.

Something is fishy here. By ISO-ing I can see less content than I remembered. 308 and nearby is strange (why is it a problem that Siveure has a townread on Dave?), 315 is very strange in its context. He has been on 2 of the major wagons. Lean scum.

Ankamius.

Less content than it appears and there are no new things appearing in his reads. Unsorted–lean scum

Farside.

I had a townread on her before and it hasn't changed. Probably town.

AdrienC.

Very little content and he's posting about very few things. Unsorted.

FlubberNugget.

I've seen the same Flubber in the abandoned game with the same setup. I kept scumreading him there as far as I can remember and it turned out the he was town. Therefore, lean town. (His vote-moving is a thing we should remember later, although.)

Romitelli.

Null in itself (although, picking 1 is an Auto-FoS, as I posted that before). What is more interesting in him is the fact that some of the players featured him in their Top3 list, as far as I can remember, Alchemist, Siveure, Ankamius... maybe someone should summarize those scumreads, shouldn't they?

post-edit

...it's especially interesting because he's leaving the game now!

Wgeurts.

I still can't see too many scummy things here. Probably town.

________

So, my strongest scumread is Siveure, the next one may be Alchemiss and Druuge. Although – wow, I'm fence-sitting now! ^_^ – there are caveats against all of these reads. Siveure's wagon had been developing very quickly and stopped afterwards. Why didn't the scums started a viable counter-wagon? As for Alchemist, first of all, call me an idiot but I wouldn't lynch the 1st one in the draft unless I had very strong evidences. Druuge is a possibility but see above, there are town-things in his posts too.

Maybe I should pay more attention to my "second three" list: Venrob, MathDino, Ankamius.
But, later – I'm still short on time. (This latest bit can also mean that I'm a subject of misreading and missing things right now. Too much work, that's what I have.)

[Alchemist21]

@Ane, I didn't have a problem with him townreading Davesaz specifically, but with the lack of strong townreads. It seemed to me like he was trying to keep away from forming townreads on D1, and I asked him if he was confident in the read because I was expecting a, "no," to that question. My 315 was just to tell Mathdino that he did not start one of the wagons that he thought he did. It's not weird at all.

[Ankamius]

davesaz for the earlier posts in his ISO I mentioned before.

I don't really get this. I pointed out something of the form "anyone knows if I don't do x it's scummy" (in a game state where we were basically still in RVS), and then posted that I had researched it and that it wasn't unusual. How is that in any way scummy? From someone with meta saying that I'm getting old and I tend to post immediately when I see something, vs. trying to remember that I need to research it? (That meta may not yet be in a usable state, TBH)

The kitty case makes absolutely no sense and there's no way you can link that to alignment either directly or indirectly, making it a bogus point. The argument that it helps end RVS can't really be used either since your ISO#4 has very little content for the amount of words in it. The entire sequence doesn't really make sense from a town mindset.

Let's make this very clear. If anyone does X, and then says "if I don't do X then I'm scummy", I'm going to research that as a possible trust tell. Period. It's the definition of trust tell, as I understand it. I did research it, and there was no evidence that it actually was one, and there was evidence that it was new and a joke, so I posted that Anen was cleared on that point. That was the entire point of ISO 4, and I used that many words because I didn't want it to be an otherwise empty post.

This is as town as it gets. The mindset it doesn't make sense for is the scum mindset.

It was a pretty obvious joke to me, which is kinda why I think you wanted to jump on that and then backtracked later when you realized it didn't hold any water. This makes sense as scum motivation.

BTW, for ISOs, remember that ISO#0 is a thing.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Don't like any of anen's "look at everyone". IIoA applies, and the way he's bringing up new stuff on me reads to me like scum trying to appear to contribute.

Idk how serious a vote should be.

Although I don't really want to point at anyone who's simultaneously scumreading me and nearly everyone who is or was on my wagon.

[Ankamius]

Not so sure of my read on Ankamius. All of his scum reads seem opportunistic and/or shallow. The strong town read on Alchemist is also pretty shallow.

The Alchemist read seems shallow because I'm not going to go into any more detail into it. Make of that what you will, but this isn't changing.

[insanity018]

Formerfish replaces Romitelli. Please welcome him!

[Formerfish]

Sup bitches, let's lynch some scum.

What should I know going into this?

[Flubbernugget]

But why should I think you're seeing it from a town perspective.

I don't care if you see it coming from a town perspective or not. It's called scumhunting. I saw something that didn't sit right with me as a town thing for you to do and I'm calling you on it. Hence, you are my top scum read. I tend not to worry too much if someone I feel is scum agrees with me or thinks me suspecting them is coming from a town perspective.

Think about this, if you saw me jumping from wagon to wagon and saying I'm just abandoning this wagon on going to another under the guise, "I suck, I'm sheeping this guy", what would YOU be doing?

Oh and if calling something out like that which could be a scummy act on your part is something that isn't coming from a town perspective, then we really need to rethink how this game is played.

I would take farside's approach over yours.

And yes, it's tough for me to see whether someone is being a tunnelfuck from a town/scum perspective regardless of what they're calling out.

[Mathdino]

Sup bitches, let's lynch some scum.

What should I know going into this?

You should know your avatar's badass and you have a pretty good chance of being scum.

Other than that, looking forward to contributions from a lurky slot.

[Alchemist21]

Not so sure of my read on Ankamius. All of his scum reads seem opportunistic and/or shallow. The strong town read on Alchemist is also pretty shallow.

The Alchemist read seems shallow because I'm not going to go into any more detail into it. Make of that what you will, but this isn't changing.

Is this due to the fact that our other game together is still ongoing? If not, then I'd actually like an explanation for your read on me. I need to be able to understand where you're coming from.

[Ankamius]

yep

[Formerfish]

Sup bitches, let's lynch some scum.

What should I know going into this?

You should know your avatar's badass and you have a pretty good chance of being scum.

Other than that, looking forward to contributions from a lurky slot.

Two thirds of your statements are true. You'll soon figure out which 2. I'll be reading soon, out with the family right now.

[droog]

he only made 2 statements

[droog]

unless you propose to know the truth
of whether dino is really looking forward to those contributions

[Mathdino]

LOL

[Formerfish]

I assume he wouldn't belying about that one from either alignment.

[droog]

are you admitting your avatar's not badass

[Formerfish]

No no, its quite badass. You guys are funny.

[Alchemist21]

Now you see why I'm looking forward to the 574 reboot.

[droog]

ok enough of that monkey business

ive noticed a pattern of players writing big catch-up posts
and immediately being read as town for it
so im going to make my catch-up post while showing
that catch-up posts are not inherently town

((not by example thoug))

[droog]

UNVOTE: whoever

VOTE: Flubbernugget
"genuinely fucking pissed"
The 'genuinely' isn't really necessary if you're pissed, ya know.

this was a really odd rvs vote
dino what's going on