Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over


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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:51 am

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In post 612, Formerfish wrote:The first thing that struck me as kind of odd was that droog rvs votes someone, and then pedits to vote aneninen, most likely to build a wagon on top of the previous vote. Nothing strange in that right? Wrong, later on page 1 droog questions Romitelli about not liking rvs, stating that he had not participated. Still nothing odd, right? Well how about droog pedit to vote a wagon on aneninen was building on Romitellis rvs vote. The words and actions aren’t adding up here. You mention catching people in lies later on, what do you usually do with liars? I do however, agree with your Math read though, fake as fuck. Telling a guy to notify a mod about a trust tell is horrible.


huh?

droog rvs votes someone, and then pedits to vote aneninen,

droog questions Romitelli about not liking rvs

droog pedit to vote a wagon on aneninen was building on Romitellis rvs vote.


huh????

you dont have a lie
you dont even have a contradiction
you say i did X (i did)
you say i did Y (i did), which doesn't contradict X
you say i did X (i did) which contradicts the last statement!


unless you mean i forgot romi was the one i was sheeping
and then asked him why he wasnt voting
in which case
find something better to talk about
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:51 am

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christ
you have 25 pages of discussion to read through
i have as much content as almost anyone
and you suspect me for my first two posts?
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:59 am

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In post 623, Mathdino wrote:What? Not understanding the above post. You're unvoting wgeurts for associatives??


No I was unvoting siv?

*ISO'S self*

Nope farside just told me I voted Siv and I went with it.

VOTE: Alchemist fuck it
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:33 pm

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In post 626, droog wrote:christ
you have 25 pages of discussion to read through
i have as much content as almost anyone
and you suspect me for my first two posts?


I did say it was the first thing to strike me. And I did after with your math read.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:51 pm

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fair enough
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:51 pm

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Votecount 1.15


Siveure DtTrikyp
(4): Alchemist21, Ankamius, davesaz, Venrob
Alchemist21
(3): farside22, Mathdino, Flubbernugget
Aneninen
(2): Amy Farrah Fowler, Siveure DtTrikyp
Mathdino
(1): droog

Not Voting
(4): Aneninen, TheAdrienC, wgeurts, Formerfish

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

Aneninen is LA
Venrob is V/LA until December 8
Amy Farrah Fowler is V/LA until December 7
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:59 pm

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ugh this game is kinda hard to read
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:26 am

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not the flavor text though : )
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:52 am

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In post 584, droog wrote:
In post 453, wgeurts wrote:
wgeurts

Flubbernugget
droog
davesaz
Alchemist21
Ankamius
Amy Farrah Fowler
Siveure DtTrikyp

Aneninen
Romitelli
TheAdrienC
Mathdino
farside22

Venrob

Those that aren't bolded post your top 3 scum reads and provide reasons.


mathdino
--
he's all over the place, but never the right places

aneninen
-- awful cases that look better than they are
ankamius
-- i needed to pad this out


Droog, explain that part of your read. What are you calling "the right places?"
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:38 am

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dino has been on several wagons
yet in none of them does he have any conviction or sound reasoning

maybe bad reasoning causes him to switch frequently
but why has he looked at so many cases without finding something good?

In post 68, Mathdino wrote:...you just did it again. "Doing [x] would be pretty useful if you were scum." Okay, so what?

UNVOTE: Flubber
VOTE: Amy


can you explain dino's vote?
i cant.

In post 152, Mathdino wrote:
Now, I'm not reading based on a phrase. But this got me to thinking. wgeurts in that game was an extreme tunneler, his confidence in his scumreads being off the charts. Town wgeurts, on the other hand, I've seen as far more careful, uses qualifiers, fencesits a bit and uses slightly wishy-washy wording. I don't like this. I'll get back on the Amy wagon if necessary but I think my vote's better served here.

UNVOTE: Amy
VOTE: wgeurts

Also, the above post is nowhere near strong enough or inconsistent with town to warrant that level of confidence.


weird meta shit

In post 260, Mathdino wrote:
In post 241, davesaz wrote:Any special reason you didn't act on this idea of pressuring people? I find it to be very passive, and the one liners since then are even worse.
VOTE: wgeurts
In post 249, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:UNVOTE: amy farrah fowler

Really not feeling this wagon any more.

I don't think conflicting or contradictory opinions makes her scummy, and there's not an enormous amount otherwise.

Also, Anen's latest post looks really confbiasy. So what if she's not scumhunting?

IN OTHER NEWS, dave has put down a non-rvs vote. This is BIG NEWS. Lets support this!

VOTE: wgeurts
In post 251, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: guts

Sheeping dino. I town read him and I suck at mafia right now.

This was too easy. Getting cold feet about the wgeurts wagon. I think there's scum in the above.
UNVOTE: wgeurts
Call it pseudoscience but wagons form easier on town than on scum. Gonna think about this and regroup.


"now that im being sheeped i change my mind"

In post 274, Mathdino wrote:
In post 253, Flubbernugget wrote:I like when ppl doubtcast without trying to peg my alignment.

Too scummy to be scum, Alchemist. This is the kind of guy I'd want a meta and playstyle argument on before considering voting him again. Also the blatant sheeping. Scum tend to do it much more subtly.
Of course if he's usually way better than this we'll lynch his ass, but I just don't know right now.

Personally, I'm gonna go with Siveure and see where that takes me.
VOTE: Siveure

You're right, anyway, with the fact that the wgeurts wagon practically absorbed the Amy one. The lack of competition is bad.

Edit: Good. Well, not good, but I guess he's town.


"lets try this wagon instead"
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:38 am

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for someone who's spent as much time on this game as dino
and who is looking into things more than anyone else

he doesnt have any convictions
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:24 am

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Droog: what I don't get with what your pointing out. What is Dino's scum motivation for unvoting once the wagon gained speed.
Also he was typically 1st or 2nd voting that player where others followed him.
Why does any of that make him scum vs others that follow
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:37 am

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whats his town motivation?

im not talking about motivation yet
((and this is not the most solid case ive ever presented))

but for all the places dino's looked and talked about
why doesnt he have something more consistent
and why are all his reasons based onp retty weak
(meta, vague question, etc.)
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:01 am

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I'm seriously conflicted now. The Siv wagon got resistance, which often means it's hit scum. But it could be that the relatively quiet people believe the VT claim and just haven't been active in finding an alternative. I see the reason for the case on Mathdino. Haven't had time to go deep on Alchemist to see if there is a case. On the numbers game, I look at the suggested low, middle, high spread and get lots of plausible scum combinations, but it dissolved quickly into WIFOM. I still can't put an alignment on Anen from a meta point of vew, the difference I noticed is still there but the comparison games aren't complete.

I know this doesn't come to any conclusions. Guess it's really just an elaborate prod dodge along with an acknowledgment that there is work to do.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:26 am

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can someone show me where this claim is?
i reread that part twice and still dont get it
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:29 am

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Tbh, math's behaviour makes sense from a town point of view. I mean, you can go ahead and say "look at all his weak reads, why are there no better reads?" and also "why is he so creeped out by wagons he starts, doesn't he want his wagons to go big?" but the second is kindof answered by the first.

@droog, my claim?
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:58 am

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@Droog, here is Siv's vanilla claim.

In post 323, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:If I flip town? I'm definitely flipping then?

Also, I was kindof weirded out at the start of the game because I am actually vanilla.

Wait, I need to reread to check role stuffs...

Welp, nothing coming out of that.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:48 pm

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oh
then why was he breadcrumbing it
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:48 pm

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oh
then why was he breadcrumbing it
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:49 pm

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he got vt with the 4th draft pick?
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:31 pm

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In post 643, droog wrote:oh
then why was he breadcrumbing it


He said he was breadcrumbing the role he attempted to get (doctor), not VT.

He also went on to accuse whoever got the role of being a likely scum roleblocker on the basis of "Doc isn't a prioroty role for Town."
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:54 pm

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Because I like to breadcrumb stuff.

Idk?
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:11 pm

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I'm not sure I understand the concept of drafting roles.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:25 pm

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Which part about it are you having trouble with?
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:46 pm

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Probably because I usually replace in, I know nothing about how it works.

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