Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)

[TellTaleHeart]

I think there's a good chance GGG is scum.

[droog]

why?

also i disagree with your analysis
awa being lynched so easily makes multiball likelier

if there's a scum faction that isn't awa's faction
that explains why he was 'bussed' so easily

[TellTaleHeart]

Actually, that was premature. If there is one scum faction (werewolves), I don't think GGG is scum.

[droog]

if there are two which do you think ggg's in?

[droog]

and why

[TellTaleHeart]

also i disagree with your analysis
awa being lynched so easily makes multiball likelier

if there's a scum faction that isn't awa's faction
that explains why he was 'bussed' so easily

Here's what I'm building it on.

While the final vote count makes it look like a unanimous decision, the AWA wagon did in fact face pockets of resistance. There was the attempted last-minute wagon on istott, the successor to the Flubbernugget wagon (which was competing with the AWA wagon). DrippingGoofball was a vocal supporter of the Flubbernugget counterwagon on Day 1, so I'm expecting her to flip werewolf.

If she doesn't, I'll have to re-evaluate all this, but I'm predicting she's an AWA teammate.

[droog]

if gdb is werewolf, that definitely implies only one faction
which is why im suspecting gdb to flip scum
gdb's yesterday strikes me more as scum getting off a town lynch
than scum getting off a scum lynch

[TellTaleHeart]

Depends on how you look at the Flubbernugget effort. With the bad feelings centered around post 263 and his general contributions, Flubbernugget might have had sufficient potential as a patsy that was just never realized.

[TellTaleHeart]

The way I go about this is going to be based on what kind of game this is, i.e. how many factions there are. If I look at the game from a "DGB is mafia" lens and a "DBG is a werewolf" lens, it results in two different sets of reads. droog and I can argue about it all day, but there's a really easy way to figure it out.

I intend to vote DGB as soon as Whomping Willow, Originalchris, ChannelDelibird, and Flubbernugget have checked in.

[droog]

thats fine tth
i consider this a time-well-spent discussion

id still like to have a few more
from other players

[droog]

also, since naomi's a watcher
do we get any discussion about who good targets for her are?
i wont say 'visit x' because then no one will kill x
but its worth thinking about

[Whomping Willow]

I expect DGB to flip wolf due to AWA's refusal to vote her. Game feels single faction. But struggling to see scum gunsmith as a diversion tactic.

Only solid read remining is Oc. I had DGB as wolf and Tier as mafia going in to n1. Rest of my reads are town or shades of null. Will have more solid reads when we have more of an idea of if this is actually multiball

[Whomping Willow]

Naomi claimed 1-shot droog

[droog]

what about town reads?

[Whomping Willow]

Don't feel the need to male them explicit at this point. But I doubt any of them will be considered contraversial

[Munkir]

Eh its difficult to say as I'm not to sure on the whole aspect but I'm heavenly leaning for DGB to flip scum but I have no idea what type of roles are in this game I know watcher is a role but how does Naomi coming in and saying "One Shot Watcher, Watched Teir last night" proves that she is indeed a watcher sure if DGB flips town we now know Naomi is most likely scum but I don't know if there is any other variables in play such as Bomb, something to swap targets, or if this is a really advance ploy of bussing(using the new word i learned).

Point being while My vote is on DGB I'm not ruling out anything or believing anything is 100% what it is and I think others should realize that I'm just keeping an open mind about almost anything.

Especially after AWA calling out my ridiculous notions/ideas/theories that proved to be somewhat accurate

I have also not ruled out the theory that I'm just a crazy newb

[Whomping Willow]

DGB self voted.and claimeed scum Munkir

[droog]

Especially after AWA calling out my ridiculous notions/ideas/theories that proved to be somewhat accurate

which ones?

[TellTaleHeart]

But struggling to see scum gunsmith as a diversion tactic.

It could potentially be useful for detecting town gunsmiths and cops. (According to the wiki page for the role, that's what they say it's for.)

[Whomping Willow]

Didn't think of Cop. Cop would imply multiball too though.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm totally caught and I have zero defense against a watcher.

I'm going to "speculate" two scum factions because my team was just AWA and I. We're done by.

[Naomi-Tan]

also, since naomi's a watcher
do we get any discussion about who good targets for her are?
i wont say 'visit x' because then no one will kill x
but its worth thinking about

One shot Droog, I don't have it anymore.

[Naomi-Tan]

Seems to me for a 13 player game, 2 scum 2 warewolf, 2 unconfirmed neighbours a 1 shot watcher... seems a little under balanced to me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey mafia you should have hammered me, now I'm getting to talking, LOL.

With AWA having our one only PR but going down in flames on Day 1, and myself having the liability of being in a neighborhood which is always considered suspicious, I was cornered to try to save AWA.

[DrippingGoofball]

AWA being a gunsmith would have allowed him to get some town cred if he had been able to use it.