Mini 1627: Ninja Mini Mafia

[Varsoon]

Do you think Drake is scum?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

YES?

[Formerfish]

Do you think Boon is scum?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

no

[Formerfish]

How do you differentiate your VIs?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

boonskiies dropped trust tells and i'm wliling to accept that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also the self vote was pretty townie

[Formerfish]

Trust tells are against the rules. If he really did drop trust tells wouldn't he be reprimanded or modkilled?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

after the game, otherwise mods would be affirming his alignment

[Varsoon]

Intentional trust tells are against the rules.

[Formerfish]

Orc...

By him saying that he is town because he has NEVER hammered as scum, and that he has NEVER self voted as scum he is violating trust tell rules, if it is true.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yes.

[Formerfish]

Why he not be modkilled for violating that rule?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

depending on the moderator. in the past practice has been to ban after the person has died in the game. in any event this is a boring line of hypotheticals and i'd rather we play mafia

[Formerfish]

my heart does not believe in this wagon.

Forget about your heart, what does your head say about the arguments I am making.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i think they're all right. i know some players when they play town expect others to think the same way as them, so maybe this is where misgivigns are coming from

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Will get to this when I can get on the laptop.

[Drake Crusader]

If I missed someone question I can answer it now for you. Think I got most of em if not all.
Left the cord to my mac at a friends house so ill post the rest of it when I can get my cord after work tomorrow.
I have pages 1 to 11 on my desktop so ill post them now. Most of it is old stuff however, my ideas on why I feel boon is scum with thor is in it. so felt it was important enough to post it.
The content is all in the section from pages 30 till 44 since I didn't do 45 till this post. Ill have to work on them after I post the rest tomorrow when I get home from work/getting my cord back.

Notes of the Game
p1 Thor seems to paint himself as scum in page 1 and varsoon claims he isnt scum.
p2 random wagon appears not much else stood out about that page in general
p3 move rvs nonsense random defends thor just to make note
p4 allyra shows up
p5 allyra commands most of page back and forth she pushes an attack on random. xiao defends varsoon again.
p6 Boon questions town reads on varsoon. thor digs his hole deeper. Konowa shows up with his crusade post.
p7 allyra and thor talk a little about how thor is acting scummy. She ends up painting thor with scum stick an boon as partner.
in post 154 it is interesting to note that up to that point they haven't talk to each other yet. Other than one post.. they communicate with likes of a partnership.
boon makes comment on midget wagon then thor votes midget. thor attracts more attention of himself. the Killer for me is the hammer on his partner they seem to hunt together and then to save himself the reaction when
thor flips scum he votes off his partner. You know what is funny tho. The person they both wanted gone in several posts dies that night thor and boon both go back on random before the day ends and such he is dead d2.
Back to the page by page.
p8 allyra and konowa cluster**** starts here. They come off as just general fighting. Thor makes comment for konowa to join up on the allyra wagon.
p9 konowa defends the idea that thor is not scum and also continues to bicker with allyra. I find that this situation doesn't really provide anything useful. the only stand point is when boon comes out with post 224

"All, what would you do if I became somehow confirmed town? What would your reads look like? "

this makes me feel like he is scum and is seeing how his claim now would fix his position.
p10 3 people voting on allyra 1 confirmed scum and the others one I have as a scum read and one I am feeling to flip scum. allyra leaves in a explosion and konowa is smugly savoring his victory.
p11

"Also, I don't like joining new wagons so early in the game. If the lynch goes through, we don't get much information for the next day, and if I wait a little longer before cementing my read

BBT seems to use knowledge of a previous game to poke thor with scum stick. Orc starts up his entrance to the game.

[killerjester]

Call me crazy but Drake's latest posts seem kinda townish. I can sense his general frustration + apathy towards the game and it feels like he's just trying to get his opinions out so we have something to work with if he's hammered. I've been in that seat before. That's town all over.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you're crazy

[killerjester]

you.

You have townreads on 80% of the living players. Do not chastise me for this one.

Also I'd be interested to hear what came of your reevaluation.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Has not happened. Phone posting at lunch, final in 3 hr, drinking until tomorrow, then I fly back to China and then I'll probably make some cases here

When I declared VLA in thread a while ago that was supposed to mean a VLA from effort and substance which is what you've been seeing

[Boonskiies]

How is me dropping self-meta stuff trust tells? It's meta...

[Boonskiies]

I'm not sure what a trust tell is actually...?

[Varsoon]

Trust tells are when you say something like,
"I only do X as this alignment"

For instance, for awhile, I was always claiming my alignment 100% truthfully.
This made the game unfair, because it grants a certain advantage but it also against scum wincon until the trust tell is broken.

The big difference from just falling into easy patterns and a trust tell, though, is that the trust tell is usually intentional and manufactured.
Like, if you went into every game and bolded your first post if you were town, and then called attention to the fact that you only bold first posts if you are town.
That sort of thing.