Once Upon A Winter Night - [Game Over]

[Bert]

Also meant to add that - whenever i see lots of flavor thinking I meet with skepticism always in past fakegod games, but that is a product of doing it too much and costing the town that way in past games (lynching/killing through neighborhoods, for one, as well as certain roles for being impossible for town/balance)

how much of my skepticism is based on reality, i dont know

[Tammy]

As for beast, I mentioned #58 because from my perspective all he has done is cry foul that Marquis isn't Townreading him thus Marquis must be Scum. His line of thought is forced. It appears as if he is more concerned with getting Marquis to Townread him rather than actually trying to determine whether Marquis is Scum or not, if that makes any sense.

Outside of that, I'm pretty lost.

Bingo on the desperation on wanting to be townread. I'm pretty lost too, but partly because I skipped some stuff and am going to get into this game more as time goes on. I also like the stuff you brought up about mod flavor in this post, so the post as a whole is spot on IMO.

Post Edit: Missed the claim about notscience, marquis, and antihero. Will look for that.

Actually the mod flavor part is crap. The mod literally said that flavor will be heavier than usual in this game and I'm being criticized for looking at the flavor, and it's spot on.

Whatever.

[Konowa]

That being said, I dislike the push on CKD and that may be based in my dislike of ABR and kats.

[Konowa]

My interpretation of flavor being heavier than usual was flavor mechanics and not actually storytelling flavor, as I would think they would different? Probably why I'm cringing a little reading your posts.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote bert.

"pretty lost" after only 10 pages, but votes me for little reason? sound about right.

also, why the fuck would anyone mention that I only had 5 votes? I dont know if ABR fucked up on purpose or not, but why not let people think I was close to a hammer to see what their reaction was? I for one was interested in who would vote thinking they had hammered.

[curiouskarmadog]

What about CKD's play makes you think he is Town?

what is scummy? the fact I called out a lurker?

[SXTLHGaiden]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

[curiouskarmadog]

That being said, I dislike the push on CKD and that may be based in my dislike of ABR and kats.

so now I am confused. am I scummy or is my wagon scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

go for it.

[Bert]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

ME TOO. JUMP RIGHT IN AND NEVER LOOK BACK.

[curiouskarmadog]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

go for it.

and while you are at it..explain your reasoning, people will want to know tomorrow why you "pushed" the town wagon and why you liked it.

[curiouskarmadog]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

ME TOO. JUMP RIGHT IN AND NEVER LOOK BACK.

but why would he "look back"? If I flipped scum, there would be nothing you look back on? No need for a guilty conscience.

[curiouskarmadog]

....nothing to look back on....

[Tammy]

I just don't see anything Town from CKD, Tammy. So it just looks like you're using the mod flavor as a crutch to call CKD Town. What about CKD's play makes you think he is Town?

Read everything I've said please. Yesterday I said I thought ckd and antihero looked like scum theater, and today I pointed out something specific I didn't like about ckd's play. Last night I started reading through ckd's most recent game; he took a long hiatus, but I was too tired to finish it.

I think that anyone even with minimal experience of me knows that just because I point out one thing that leads me to believe they're one alignment or the other doesn't mean that stops there. There's no crutch for me calling someone town; I could certainly come up with something better if I thought I needed to.

But I don't appreciate being underhandedly insulted for looking at mod flavor when the mod specifically said the flavor would be more important this game. I could completely be wrong in my interpretation of that. Maybe ckd killed Matthew on the way in as misdirection so people would think others were suspicious. Who knows.

What I do know, right this minute, is I prefer having them talk about this beast thing right now.

[Bert]

Looking through Anti-CKD atm.

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

ME TOO. JUMP RIGHT IN AND NEVER LOOK BACK.

but why would he "look back"? If I flipped scum, there would be nothing you look back on? No need for a guilty conscience.

There's risk to any wagon. Meant second-guess whether it was the right choice when the wagon is still ongoing. You're trying to manipulate him by -

people will want to know tomorrow why you "pushed" the town wagon and why you liked it.

Also, what motivated you to act 'mad' at Antihero?

[Tammy]

My interpretation of flavor being heavier than usual was flavor mechanics and not actually storytelling flavor, as I would think they would different? Probably why I'm cringing a little reading your posts.

Just stop talking to me.

[Tammy]

And there are six votes on him by the way, Katsuki voted him after the last vote count. So noone else should vote him so that he's not at l-1 and there are no derphammers before marquis confirms he's used his role.

[Albert B. Rampage]

and ckd hasn't been exactly nice to ABR by calling him a bad player.

This is irrelevant. My vote on CKD is not personal at all. I am confident that he's scum.

[curiouskarmadog]

well here are my thoughts on the flavor.

I imagine there is some sort of alignment cop, but of course, they can only look up alignments by names. scum want to have control of that name cop. so I do not think it is random that I am getting railroaded early. if I die today and Marquis is town, I imagine he will die tonight.

[Konowa]

Whatever. It's not really an underhanded insult, I just think your potentially wrong.

CKD, I dislike your wagon. At the moment, Gaiden is probably the one I want to hear the most from. The transition from #237 to #256 in particular. I have also mentioned my dislike of ABR and kats, but I think part of my kats read is based in paranoia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks for your night kill prediction, CKD. Lovely. Look, I know that I'm doing the right thing. It's not being stubborn.

[curiouskarmadog]

and ckd hasn't been exactly nice to ABR by calling him a bad player.

This is irrelevant. My vote on CKD is not personal at all. I am confident that he's scum.

I should clarify. I dont think ABR is a bad player. I think he is useless and mostly anti-town (as scum or town). play style difference? I dont enjoy playing with him. I have just been gone for 2-3 years and forgot this. It is frustrating as town to play with him. That being said, if I did indeed have a scum role, I would be equally frustrated.

[Bert]

SO. ISO. Forcing myself to do this.

CKD - votes Antihero for lurking
Anti - votes CKD back as an OMGUS at first, then states CKD is being sidelining/fencesitting with the beast vs. marquis
They call each other scum (rinse, repeat)
Then, CKD says Anti is not moving his vote as an excuse to do nothing today.
Anti isn't optimistic about beast wagon cos it hasn't taken off yet (?)

CKD calls Anti out for referring to self (Anti) as a juciy mislynch.

CKD continues to further the case on Anti for "avoiding the game early on."

in the middle of that is CKD asking beast to answer something.



tl;dr It looks like CKD-Antihero, contains CKD ridiculously exaggerating anything (add rage) that looks slightly like antihero-scum play after Antihero's vote back. original vote on anti was for lurking, which anti clearly disputed. problem is CKD continues to use "lurking early" as an argument.

then, anti responds in kind. back and forth

Anti's reaction was that of sarcasm, which is fitting given how it started out in the first place (vote, then omgus, etc.). so basically the 1v1 has a lot of mockery in it. that reminds me why i was so apathetic yesterday

tl;dr i also, seeing post 39 and how people really want Beast to talk more, or have notscience/marq/antihero elaborate more --------- that leads me to believe im missing something still about the importance, and thats probably on my end of not being thorough enough ----- the part about in 39 - beast says something about "knowing 3 names in order to be able to submit kills."

tl;dr from what i read in the isos, it looks like scum kill based on role names which they know exist already, rather than player names themselves

hurried this post sorry, back after lunch and errands

[curiouskarmadog]

Thanks for your night kill prediction, CKD. Lovely. Look, I know that I'm doing the right thing. It's not being stubborn.

do you think i am wrong?

[Equinox]

I wasn't fond of how the curiouskarmadog wagon was progressing before, but right now I'm not very fond of some of curiouskarmadog's behavior, either. Decisions, decisions. What's bothering me are the number of people just sheeping Albert B. Rampage. I can sort of see how that can be happening, but it still feels sketchy just reading the posts jumping on. On the other hand, curiouskarmadog on this page has been demanding some weird explanations of people. Vague feelings yay. I promised that I'd read back and I should do that.

Tammy, forgive me if you talked about this already and just point out where you did, but how did curiouskarmadog feel to you in the game that you read?

I'm with Tammy that discussing beastcharizard is becoming increasingly urgent, especially because there seems to be a very apparent lack of interest in that department from the people who should be talking about it.

So, yes, none of you chuckleheads should be lynching before

both

beastcharizard and Marquis come to this thread.