Once Upon A Winter Night - [Game Over]

[curiouskarmadog]

What in the name of all things sacred is going on here?!
I have been called back here against my better judgment through a God forsaken snowstorm AND THIS IS THE GREETING I RECEIVE? Accusations? Fingers pointed at me! ME?

How dare you.

Shouldn’t we be more concerned about our dear father? And where is Matthew? Those roads were treacherous. I nearly lost a good man on my way here.

Because in order for the scum to have a viable chance of actually winning they would need to know more than three people's role names. Hence why I think Marquis is scum. It would be most beneficial for scum to start out with the only ability to target players rather than names.

They could just blindly target names but that would be dumb.

Explain to me this statement? ALL roles names are common knowledge, just not there real names. So what exactly are you concerned about?

But lets say this (scum needed to know people's real name vs. their game names) was a thing, if dear Marquis is indeed town, wouldnt scum want this power in their hands....and wouldnt they be saying something similar to this very post to shed doubt on him to begin the process of eliminating down the line till they got it? I am next in line for this silly inheritance and see no use for it. I have my own money. Let Marquis keep it.

You guys do what you want I'm not changing my vote all game.

oh ABR, you will never change will you? So closed minded. So shut off. So justified. and like always so wrong. I am sad for you.

Now, to the business at hand.

Vote Antihero.

So much talking elsewhere, but no comment on this game? Why are you waiting in the shadows?

[curiouskarmadog]

also is my room ready?

[curiouskarmadog]

No, because you arrived so late....24 hours late, late!!! Where are your manners?

well there was the storm, and apparently dead bodies.

[curiouskarmadog]

MOD, please confirm that all game start notifications have been picked up.

[curiouskarmadog]

antihero is posting in other games (today) but he wants to hide here.

more votes please to get him motivated.

I mean i know I cant wait to see a "oh I didnt know this game had started" post.

[curiouskarmadog]

You guys do what you want I'm not changing my vote all game.

this vote is unlikely to move today, btw

man you guys can be besties, am I right?

at least you got that reason out of the way for not actually having to do anything today, good for you.

guess my vote WAS in the right place after all.

[curiouskarmadog]

so you were lurking?

man, I mention you are not posting here, and you get mad. blame me for your poor attitude? awwww.

[curiouskarmadog]

name one thing you did today

Nail scum

[curiouskarmadog]

you did it in the douchiest way possible in order to push what you think is a juicy mislynch

so the biggest wagon is beast right now...any reasons you think he isnt a mislynch?

you said you dont like his wagon...sooo, well gee, now I am confused.

[curiouskarmadog]

/looks back
/doesn't see an opinion on beast anywhere

yeah, you've got room to join the wagon. what are you "confused" about?

you did it in the douchiest way possible in order to push what you think is a juicy mislynch

so the biggest wagon is beast right now...any reasons you think he isnt a mislynch?

Soooo, you say that you are a “juicy mislynch”. But there is a bigger wagon than you (beast). You have stated you that you are not

optimistic about it

. So clearly you feel like beast might be a mislynch. So if you really “think” I am scum and beast is town, how does it make any sense for me to call you out for not posting, versus joining a wagon with little to no content? How are you a juicy mislynch? I am calling bullshit.

right, there's only ONE way to explain not posting in a particular thread and it's the role PM.

not sure exactly what you are saying here. are you saying that you have a role PM that made you wait to post? If so, calling bullshit on that too. I doubt two town players in this game got a role that had to wait 24 hours before posting. But only one of those town roles was public knowledge?

if you are not saying this, please explain.

also, have you ever been a game, where scum purposely lurk the first day to get a handle on where the wagon are before having to commit to anything? I know I have (and probably done it).....soo, 4 pages in..I dont have much to go on...your reaction is awesome though..keep that up though in you mafia career (town or scum) thats a joy to play with..

@CKD: I'm unclear on your views on beast, Do you agree with the wagon on him or not?

at the moment, i do not (but understand day 1 wagons). which sucks for me because he is my current counter wagon. I had to read his comment several times to understand what he was saying. still not sure what he was saying....

which reminds me.

Because in order for the scum to have a viable chance of actually winning they would need to know more than three people's role names. Hence why I think Marquis is scum. It would be most beneficial for scum to start out with the only ability to target players rather than names.

They could just blindly target names but that would be dumb.

Explain to me this statement? ALL roles names are common knowledge, just not there real names. So what exactly are you concerned about?

But lets say this (scum needed to know people's real name vs. their game names) was a thing, if dear Marquis is indeed town, wouldnt scum want this power in their hands....and wouldnt they be saying something similar to this very post to shed doubt on him to begin the process of eliminating down the line till they got it?

beast can you comment please.

i don't know... that just drains me before i even start and that gets under my skin. it's probably coloring my read of him irrationally.

well how long do you want to ride it? me being a dick and me being scum are 2 different things. If you are town (and taking your ego out of it) can you see why I might think you could be scum? Also, your thoughts on ABR's vote? At least I have a reason to vote you, ABR is voting me purely on fluff and set up speculation. Is that scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not moving my vote from CKD.

well then you have a "reason" not to do any work..good for you.

[curiouskarmadog]

or what you want to play semantics w/ the "juicy mislynch". "juicy mislynch" / "place to park your vote so it looks like you're busy"
how's that?

actually that is better. It is how you are trying to paint the picture. I am trying to figure out if you really think I am scum, if you are just mad about my suspicion of you, or if you are scum playing the bullshit game.

saying that someone's just avoiding a game b/c they're scum is oversimplified

day 1 baby, day 1. Have you ever seen scum do it, though?

thats a joy to play with..

wow, you're one to talk

Yeah from your angle, I get it. This made me laugh.

if you want to use selective lurking as a scumtell, fine. i actually use it myself if someone's selectively avoiding a thread when it's in a time sensitive spot (near deadlines).

being a condescending prick to me when i didn't do anything to you is something completely different though. and that's what you did.

well I don’t have a clue if you are busy….or if you are selectively lurking in a game that has 8 day (days). At the bare minimum, you are in here contributing now. Scum or town, you are at least posting.

Yeah okay, lets say I was being a prick…was my vote and suspicion of you scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

do you think it's scummy?

normally yes...

but with ABR no...it is just his play..and bad as it is, it is just his play.

I was curious what YOUR perception of him was (i didnt know if you had played with him before).

[curiouskarmadog]

also

unvote.

my reason for voting him is doesnt feel as right (gut). he could be fake mad as scum. he could be scum, and just be mad that someone nailed him for what he was actually doing. or he could be town, and just pissed that some random dude is riding him early.

feels authentic.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay lets get more action going.

VOTE: Nobody special

I think this is where I want my vote the most, and I think beastcharizard might be reaching.

hey there besties. why this vote? what did beast say that seemed to be reaching....dont just repost a quote, explain your line of thinking please....

[curiouskarmadog]

Calling it now: ckd + Antihero scum teammates.

just for that future record.

is antihero scum because of my interaction with him

or is he scum on some other actions you deem scummy?

if I flip town, is antihero still scum or back to "?"

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hey beast, how closely are you reading the game?

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which reminds me.

Because in order for the scum to have a viable chance of actually winning they would need to know more than three people's role names. Hence why I think Marquis is scum. It would be most beneficial for scum to start out with the only ability to target players rather than names.

They could just blindly target names but that would be dumb.

Explain to me this statement? ALL roles names are common knowledge, just not there real names. So what exactly are you concerned about?

But lets say this (scum needed to know people's real name vs. their game names) was a thing, if dear Marquis is indeed town, wouldnt scum want this power in their hands....and wouldnt they be saying something similar to this very post to shed doubt on him to begin the process of eliminating down the line till they got it?

beast can you comment please.

[curiouskarmadog]

So glad I signed up for this game

Love getting lynched for fluff reasons. Just remember who joined my wagon and for what reasons. I got in-laws coming into tonight for the holidays and my time will be short to post for the next couples days (awesome timing). I will try to post a little more today, but there are no guarantees.

My wagon is utter shit. There is only one person on it that actually has a non-fluff/setup reason. ABR is (as always) useless if he is town. If he is scum, he is resting firmly on his "my play is anti-town" meta.

I am going to go ahead a claim because there is no need to hold up this wagon if I cant post later (and people are waiting for my claim).

I am a....

Town VT.

[curiouskarmadog]

also note to self, dont sign up for a game with ABR in it...forgot about that in my retirement.

[curiouskarmadog]

ABR is (as always) useless if he is town. If he is scum, he is resting firmly on his "my play is anti-town" meta.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote bert.

"pretty lost" after only 10 pages, but votes me for little reason? sound about right.

also, why the fuck would anyone mention that I only had 5 votes? I dont know if ABR fucked up on purpose or not, but why not let people think I was close to a hammer to see what their reaction was? I for one was interested in who would vote thinking they had hammered.

[curiouskarmadog]

What about CKD's play makes you think he is Town?

what is scummy? the fact I called out a lurker?

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That being said, I dislike the push on CKD and that may be based in my dislike of ABR and kats.

so now I am confused. am I scummy or is my wagon scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

go for it.

[curiouskarmadog]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

go for it.

and while you are at it..explain your reasoning, people will want to know tomorrow why you "pushed" the town wagon and why you liked it.

[curiouskarmadog]

all of a sudden, i'm really liking the wagon

ME TOO. JUMP RIGHT IN AND NEVER LOOK BACK.

but why would he "look back"? If I flipped scum, there would be nothing you look back on? No need for a guilty conscience.

[curiouskarmadog]

....nothing to look back on....

[curiouskarmadog]

well here are my thoughts on the flavor.

I imagine there is some sort of alignment cop, but of course, they can only look up alignments by names. scum want to have control of that name cop. so I do not think it is random that I am getting railroaded early. if I die today and Marquis is town, I imagine he will die tonight.

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and ckd hasn't been exactly nice to ABR by calling him a bad player.

This is irrelevant. My vote on CKD is not personal at all. I am confident that he's scum.

I should clarify. I dont think ABR is a bad player. I think he is useless and mostly anti-town (as scum or town). play style difference? I dont enjoy playing with him. I have just been gone for 2-3 years and forgot this. It is frustrating as town to play with him. That being said, if I did indeed have a scum role, I would be equally frustrated.

[curiouskarmadog]

Thanks for your night kill prediction, CKD. Lovely. Look, I know that I'm doing the right thing. It's not being stubborn.

do you think i am wrong?

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok, so...

I think we shouldn't lynch on the line of inheritance. From the looks of it, there are only 7 people who have a chance of ever getting that ability and the namecop is extremely important,

clearly I am missing something. where is this information at? and there are spouses? I thought everyone in the game was a type of descendant. I guess I need to reread the rules? I hate to argue against something that sides on keeping me alive, but I dont know where this information is located?

[curiouskarmadog]

*twitch twitch twitch*

Also the information is in the opening post.

I see nothing about 7 people can only have ability or anything about spouses. where is it?

[curiouskarmadog]

ooooh, because there are only 7 listed Norwelds? but the open mentioned daughters...if daughters married, wouldnt their name change? also, I get the spouses bit. for some reason i thought all names listed could get the ability. ALSO, I imagine some of the norwelds are married into the family. so even if they have the name, doesnt mean they get the ability (because they are married into the family). so the actual complete list of people are unknown..AND the size of the actual family is too unknown..right? or am I missing something?

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And where is Matthew?

How did you know about Matthew and that he wasn't here if you hadn't read the opening posts?

I did read the opening post, but I didnt see a list that said these "7 people are known to have X" nor did I see anything about spouses.. And I only scanned the names and clearly didnt give them much thought.

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@CKD:

What specifically about anti felt genuine that made you doubt your previous interactions?

I get mad playing this game. I guess it was one of those "I can relate and how would I react if the positions were reverse". This being said, i am starting to wane on that, because..well...he is fucking not posting again. So now it (once again) is feeling like he was lurking to see where shit would go. His vote is still on me even after he has said he could be viewing me irrationally. now I think about it....

Unvote,

Vote Anti-social

maybe I was on to something, lets see if that gets him mad again and maybe post some more. other than yell at me, he has done shit.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay here's my main problem with ckd is his lack of scum hunting. In the game I started reading, which I still didn't get very far into and probably won't until later, he was scum hunting. Here, there's been the push on antihero for lurking. (Speaking of Anti - where are you?) And then the blow up with him and then nothing really until voting Bert for feeling lost a few pages into the game.

okay, well a big difference is in that game I replaced in and there were pages of information, surely you saw this. This is day one..what is there to go on? what additional things can be done to scum hunt that I am not doing?

AND, I wasnt just attacking anti for lurking in this game. I saw he wasnt posting here, then looked to see if he was posting elsewhere. I made sure all roles had been picked up (to be sure). And my vote on Bert WAS NOT just because he was lost for a few pages...please go back and reread why I voted him.

here is my question, you read my (last) game, right?

have you read Anti to see if he was scum hunting in his last game versus what he is doing here in this game? Why or why not?

have you read ABR to see if he as scum hunting in his last game versus what he is doing here in this game? Actually that really wont get you any where.

I have two votes on me for fluff/set up reasons. You are fine with that?

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and I might regret asking this but and surprised why no one has asked this yet,

mod: were alignments pre-selected as you made the set up or were they random after you made the set up?

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not a lot of time

you ARE comparing a game that I replaced into (with pages of content) with this new game and saying I am not scum hunting. Do you think that is a fair comparison in your view? What else could I be doing in this fresh game to scum hunt that I am not already doing? My problem here is that you are saying I am not scum hunting but (mysteriously) giving a pass to the majority of the other people. My concern here is that you are trying to prop up a vote on me (maybe) with "points" that are not actually points. I dont think you are scum, because you are actually looking shit up/meta-ing, but when you say I am not scum hunting, that makes me angry/suspicious.

I see something I dont like I am calling it out. Looking up things as I have time.

[curiouskarmadog]

have you read Anti to see if he was scum hunting in his last game versus what he is doing here in this game? Why or why not?

also tammy did you do this? I might be missing the post where you said you meta-ed him.

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What else could I be doing in this fresh game to scum hunt that I am not already doing?

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i am trying to figure out if you believe what you are saying (scum hunting). IF you vote me and I flip town, I want people to be able to see WHY people voted me. Consider it helping in the future. Like I said...I think you are town. I am curious what people will do when/if the mod says all the alignments were randomly selected. How will they justify their votes then? I have a feeling they wont, but I want info out there tomorrow.

and yeah, I am a little disengaged from the game now. holidays, plus it is hard to get into a game where you get a wagon based on NOTHING. How can one argue, I am voting you because you are being a dick...or I am voting you because of set up reasons???

[curiouskarmadog]

i'm betting that alignments weren't randomly assigned.

if you believe that, what are your thoughts on ABR and Nobody Special's votes?

[curiouskarmadog]

i'm betting that alignments weren't randomly assigned.

if you believe that, what are your thoughts on ABR and Nobody Special's votes?

scratch that, I read your post wrong.

well if mod comes back and says they werent randomly assigned...I am pretty much dead today.

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also, why are you pretty much dead?
what did i miss?

we are getting close to deadline. I am the lead wagon. 2 votes currently on me are solely based on setup. If the mod comes in here and says that the alignment were indeed not random, those votes probably will not come off and people will pile on (again for no reason, but we are in Day 1, so I get it).

even with their reasoning (which by the way wasnt clear, but I will let you guys fight it out tomorrow) their votes are shit.

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mod: were alignments pre-selected as you made the set up or were they random after you made the set up?

No comment.

well then you can probably assume it wasnt random...

so those votes on me due to game speculations are not coming off and I am fucked.

awesome.

we can talk about that after game, once we know the alignments of abr and nobody special. and why or why not it was a good idea.

here is the funny bit, once I flip town, who will be next?

[curiouskarmadog]

i dont think you should name claim

but why isnt the actual fucking name cop doing anything?

[curiouskarmadog]

why are you stalling?

[curiouskarmadog]

still don't lynch w/out my confirmation tho. thx

what the fuck?

provide your result/confirmation now?


you have posted at least 20 times (I stopped counting at 20) TODAY ALONE on site. WHY ARE YOU STALLING?

[curiouskarmadog]

curiouskarmadog, why did you ask Marquis to provide a result (or confirmation) immediately?

deadline in 1 day...I didnt want him to not provide the information because "whoops I forgot about this game/this game got away from me/sorry i couldnt get it in before deadline".

[curiouskarmadog]

but the answer is fg just told me something i didn't know regarding the namecop and i'm still trying to figure out what the best way to approach this is. i sent in my investigation.

still don't lynch w/out my confirmation tho. thx

I've been playing just marathons today since I didn't really feel like playing this with a flight in a few hours

so if I hadnt of asked, would you have let us know?

and if you didnt feel like playing this, how did you know that I asked a question (if you werent checking)?

[curiouskarmadog]

VOTE: CKD

I would prefer this to an Anti lynch.

Marquis is still the way to go.

so you think the Anti lynch is bad, but you vote me with no reason....

is this a vote based on set up as well?

[curiouskarmadog]

Is the case on Anti just that he isn't posting here?

(yet doesnt say anything about the CKD wagon which he joined later)...this should be noted.

[curiouskarmadog]

well I am town guys, please review this fucking wagon tomorrow and the "reasons" why people are joining it. Also note, the surge of votes once Anti started to look like an actual possibility...and who changed when.

It fucking sucks to be eliminated as town (but probably as scum too) for set up reasons, probably will not be joining a game like this in the future.

[curiouskarmadog]

OK CKD I think I believe you now.

Unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

curiouskarmadog, if you haven't done so already, review the wagons now, especially the latest iteration of the Antihero wagon since it doesn't seem like you've done that yet. You're in the best position to do so, and if you're town your input would be invaluable.

Preview edit: Huh. What led you to change your mind this time as opposed to the other times, Albert B. Rampage?

why dont you do it..assume I am town, and do a break down of it.

I am going to bed, I have a full day of work tomorrow, and a household full of people. it is doubtful that I will be able to break down the wagon/counter wagons in the next 15 hours (deadline). It is actually doubtful I will even look at the site for the next 4 days...I say that, but I will probably look because I have a problem, but I wont have any time to post anything more than a line.

consider this my "go town" post.

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also please note that Anti has posted 5 pages worth of posts since last posting in here on Wednesday.

I guess that "colored" vote he placed on me "irrationally" will stand...