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Flubbernugget Survivor
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Om of the Nom Jack of All Trades
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In post 174, Flubbernugget wrote:What's a townbloc
a group of townies who vote together“Leftover lady, let alone the strongest to be subdued.
If I only had the magic key that would unlock the realms to the plateau of the highest me.
Even though I’ve been badly bruised, living in a house to become a popular muse.”
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Mathdino Survivor
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Why not? Scum likely knows what the setup's like already (if they have 2 members there's another scumteam or the setup is shit).
Also we'll know by tomorrow anyway, so I don't see how it's anti-town to reveal the info eyestott and I have about the setup.
Everything points to there being not just one killing faction in the game, and I think it's useful to keep that in mind when scumhunting.-
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I don't care for forced townblocks.
I don't care for early townblocks either.
Both are dangerous if They include a scum.
Anyways, anyone want to have a conversation about something?
Compared to my scumhunting skills, I'm pretty good at talking about roles, so yeah.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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FourTrouble Mafia Scum
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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Flubber: a very slight townread RE his questioning of math.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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Mathdino: maybe town? I haven't seen enough of him to make a decision. I'm against lynching him, as he's the player in this game I've played with the most, and he's pretty useful when he's town.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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Woops, I didn't mean to post that, meant to do preview.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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In post 167, FourTrouble wrote:The best move for scum is often pro-town (e.g. bussing when they don't have to). Of course, that blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum moves. Forming townblocs blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum, because you don't know if the player forming the townbloc is scum or town. That lack of knowledge doesn't mean the act of creating a townbloc is scummy -- it's null, unless you have independent evidence that the player forming the townbloc is town or scum, in which case the player is town or scum based on something other than the act of forming the townbloc. Point is, forming townblocs is null. Whether they end up having a pro-town or pro-scum effect depends on whether the player forming it is scum.
As for Mastin's "lecture," Mastin's point is more about probability of success or failure -- townblocs formed early fail more often than townblocs formed later; townblocs that form organically without trying succeed more often than townblocs that form consciously. The original lecture -- I looked into it -- was in response to the question, "What's the best way to form townblocs." The question wasn't whether forming townblocs is scummy, and Mastin's answer has to be read in that context. I don't agree 100% with Mastin's analysis, either.
In my experience, I've never seen a townie say to themselves, "X is town because X formed a townbloc," so forming townblocs doesn't have much value as far as tricking townies into thinking you're town. I've also never seen any evidence that people who "force" townblocs are scum more often than town. In fact, in my experience, the vast majority of folks forming the townblocs are town.
I'm not saying Metal is town. I don't know. I think as a matter of scumhunting, a better approach is asking Metal why he thinks Om and TN are town. Trying to understand his thought-process, etc.
THIS GUY IS TOWN-
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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In post 189, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 167, FourTrouble wrote:The best move for scum is often pro-town (e.g. bussing when they don't have to). Of course, that blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum moves. Forming townblocs blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum, because you don't know if the player forming the townbloc is scum or town. That lack of knowledge doesn't mean the act of creating a townbloc is scummy -- it's null, unless you have independent evidence that the player forming the townbloc is town or scum, in which case the player is town or scum based on something other than the act of forming the townbloc. Point is, forming townblocs is null. Whether they end up having a pro-town or pro-scum effect depends on whether the player forming it is scum.
As for Mastin's "lecture," Mastin's point is more about probability of success or failure -- townblocs formed early fail more often than townblocs formed later; townblocs that form organically without trying succeed more often than townblocs that form consciously. The original lecture -- I looked into it -- was in response to the question, "What's the best way to form townblocs." The question wasn't whether forming townblocs is scummy, and Mastin's answer has to be read in that context. I don't agree 100% with Mastin's analysis, either.
In my experience, I've never seen a townie say to themselves, "X is town because X formed a townbloc," so forming townblocs doesn't have much value as far as tricking townies into thinking you're town. I've also never seen any evidence that people who "force" townblocs are scum more often than town. In fact, in my experience, the vast majority of folks forming the townblocs are town.
I'm not saying Metal is town. I don't know. I think as a matter of scumhunting, a better approach is asking Metal why he thinks Om and TN are town. Trying to understand his thought-process, etc.
THIS GUY IS TOWN
Why?Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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Metal Sonic Sun Tzu
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Because of the post I quoted-
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In post 177, Mathdino wrote:Why not? Scum likely knows what the setup's like already (if they have 2 members there's another scumteam or the setup is shit).
Also we'll know by tomorrow anyway, so I don't see how it's anti-town to reveal the info eyestott and I have about the setup.
Everything points to there being not just one killing faction in the game, and I think it's useful to keep that in mind when scumhunting.
I agree. That's useful information. And it is likewise useful to consider that the scum will likely be doing legitimate scumhunting, since they will be looking for other teams or the arsonist.
In post 189, Metal Sonic wrote:THIS GUY IS TOWN
Uh... no. Reciting theory is not a towntell.-
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eyestott Mafia Scum
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I'm thinking:
If there's two scumteams, with an arsonist in one, that team gets an extra kill. I would say there's also an equivalent killer (maybe a poisoner) in the other team, and an anti-poisoner town role.
Either that, or the arsonist (if it exists) is a 3P.
That's just my opinion. If you want to comment on it, please do.
I've faced the fact that I'm much more useful at role related matters than actual scumhunting. I will try and scumhunt, mind you, but I'm just trying to utilise my strengths.
I know that it's not useful for the whole town to speculate setup, which is why I'm looking for maybe one or two other people maximum to talk about this with me.Get to know a Me! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=60647-
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