Mini 1626: Duck Tales Mafia (Game Over)

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Dodge. Waiting for Support to get back.

[farside22]

1) you realize you quoted a comment I made that was 2 different things. One thing I'm talking about is you have expand on Jack fucking shit this game and the other was willing to hammer pine without ever saying anything about the spot.
3) what you pointed to is a contradiction and left bulba at l-1. Do you really think a response will happen?

1) I didn't realise, but that just means we're back to; what don't you like about my explanations?
3) It did happen 2225, I was fine with it

I'm also noting nm you've been less then active till I called you out. Any reason for that?

You engaged me directly so I became more active, this isn't alignment indicative

1. My bad. I meant you tw hope he's modkill. I don't think it matters that Domo tunneled. Lots of players have been tunneling this game. Hoping for a mod kill on a town is skimmy.
2. He hasn't even fucking unvoted kcc. How the fuck are you okay with that.

You want to bring in meta, tell me are you more active as town or scum? Do you make cases and move on to other things you find scummy or do you take one thing and run with it all game long?
Link to examples if so

[EXAKT Science]

2. He hasn't even fucking unvoted kcc. How the fuck are you okay with that.

wait i haven't? shit, you're right.
UNVOTE:

[Doubleslap]

You want to bring in meta, tell me are you more active as town or scum? Do you make cases and move on to other things you find scummy or do you take one thing and run with it all game long?
Link to examples if so

i only played one game with him (SDR2) but he seemed pretty similar as town there w his cases with the exception of activity level, so it /might/ not be alignment indicative
but he also said in this game

If you think my inactivity is alignment indicative you can check my activity across the whole site. I'll start catching up tomorrow and I'll try to do a but more catching up each evening.

so that may be the difference in activity level between games

[Not_Mafia]

1) you realize you quoted a comment I made that was 2 different things. One thing I'm talking about is you have expand on Jack fucking shit this game and the other was willing to hammer pine without ever saying anything about the spot.
3) what you pointed to is a contradiction and left bulba at l-1. Do you really think a response will happen?

1) I didn't realise, but that just means we're back to; what don't you like about my explanations?
3) It did happen 2225, I was fine with it

I'm also noting nm you've been less then active till I called you out. Any reason for that?

You engaged me directly so I became more active, this isn't alignment indicative

1. My bad. I meant you tw hope he's modkill. I don't think it matters that Domo tunneled. Lots of players have been tunneling this game. Hoping for a mod kill on a town is skimmy.
2. He hasn't even fucking unvoted kcc. How the fuck are you okay with that.

You want to bring in meta, tell me are you more active as town or scum? Do you make cases and move on to other things you find scummy or do you take one thing and run with it all game long?
Link to examples if so

1) DOMO was doing it in a way were it dominated the thread though, and me hoping for the modkill was a clumsy way of me wanting a flip but not wanting to be on a TW wagon at that time

2) I hadn't realised, and I think he would have if Bulba hadn't been at L-1

It's not meta, if you directly engage any player, they will become more active. And my activity is inconsistent as both alignments, it depends on the strength of any reads I have and my general engagement in the game. I will only really make cases if I feel really strongly about a scumread and no one else is really going after that person, or if I have to i.e. LyLo etc...

[Not_Mafia]

My work/RL related reasons for inactivity have passed, right now my reads are kinda hazy and flip dependent, Bulba and Pasch flips in particular would help me.

[EXAKT Science]

My work/RL related reasons for inactivity have passed, right now my reads are kinda hazy and flip dependent, Bulba and Pasch flips in particular would help me.

why them specifically?

[DOMO]

1) DOMO was doing it in a way were it dominated the thread though, and me hoping for the modkill was a clumsy way of me wanting a flip but not wanting to be on a TW wagon at that time

Ok so notice that despite me practically begging for a wreck flip, I was against the idea of modkill. That might suggest a different agenda. Scum knew wreck was town, so naturally they have less problem with a modkill than town.

Also, why would you NOT be on a wagon if you want a flip? Just because I'm tunnelling? If you think he's scum, then vote for him. If not, then tell me to stfu. But don't hope for a flip while not joining the wagon, because that fucking stinks.

nm is not looking good here.

[Not_Mafia]

My work/RL related reasons for inactivity have passed, right now my reads are kinda hazy and flip dependent, Bulba and Pasch flips in particular would help me.

why them specifically?

Dominant counterwagons and points of discussion he whole game, will tell me if my perspective on the game is on point or way out.

1) DOMO was doing it in a way were it dominated the thread though, and me hoping for the modkill was a clumsy way of me wanting a flip but not wanting to be on a TW wagon at that time

Ok so notice that despite me practically begging for a wreck flip, I was against the idea of modkill. That might suggest a different agenda. Scum knew wreck was town, so naturally they have less problem with a modkill than town.

Also, why would you NOT be on a wagon if you want a flip? Just because I'm tunnelling? If you think he's scum, then vote for him. If not, then tell me to stfu. But don't hope for a flip while not joining the wagon, because that fucking stinks.

nm is not looking good here.

I knew we needed the flip to progress the game but it was a wagon I was reluctant to be on so I was hoping the mod would make my decision for me. I'm not saying it's logical because it isn't, it was my feeling about the lynch.

[DOMO]

I knew we needed the flip to progress the game but it was a wagon I was reluctant to be on so I was hoping the mod would make my decision for me. I'm not saying it's logical because it isn't, it was my feeling about the lynch.

How the fuck is this town? Since when is town reluctant to vote for someone whose flip they want? I'm thinking you were reluctant to vote for him because you wanted to avoid the mislynch wagon.

[Not_Mafia]

You're assuming town is going to be rational and/or act with their head 100% of the time

[DOMO]

VOTE: notmafia

I can't accept that explanation. You can basically claim derp every time you're scum pushing scum agenda. Advocating the modkill of someone you won't vote for is scummy as fuck, considering the flip.

[Not_Mafia]

It's not like I danced about the thread saying @MOD HOUSE CLAIMED SCUM WITH OTHERS MODKILL MODKILL MODKILL BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD, I saw an inevitable unfolding I knew neeeded to happen sooner rather than later for the health of the game but I also knew I didn't want to be a part of, so when House made that post I was relieved I wouldn't have to bother making that leap

[Not_Mafia]

inevitable lynch*

[Not_Mafia]

This is exactly the same logic flaw you used against House, you were so sure he was scum because he kept doing stupid things, and this is going to end exactly the same way it did with House. Scum do stupid things, town do stupid things, but this isn't road to rome, it's scum who cares about people knowing they've done stupid things.

[DOMO]

Waiting for mod to show up and hopefully modkill House so we can move on from this to either DOMO gloating or ending this tunnel. There's still a lot I dislike about TW from D1 but late D1 and today looks like frustrated town to me, the later parts frustrated town resigned to his lynch.

Timing of Pasch's vote noted

This is where you advocate the modkill. You remind us all that I'm tunelling, and then say you think he's town, whilst telling us with a straight face you want him modkilled.

Yeah this stinks. If you felt he was starting to look like town, you'd prefer him to NOT get modkilled and then perhaps looked at by a cop, or whatever. Knwoing now that he's town, I'd have preferred him to not get lynched. Of course at the time I wanted him lynched. But not modkilled, because it deprives us of so much late wagon action, which can be hugely telling later. Modkill is ideal for scum, especially if they anticipate it ending the day.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm not going to repeat myself, if you're going to move back to "Town shouldn't want this" over and over again, then I'm going to point you back to my response, I'm not going to let this take over the whole thread and have Day 2.1.

"Town should be doing this" and "Town will do this" are not the same thing, scum want to look town, town is town, you should have learnt this with House's flip, but we're going to go down the same rabbit hole.

[DOMO]

Just because wreck flipped town, does not mean I should stop harassing those I think are scum. I understand that I'm going to be wrong sometimes. I don't have a problem with that. I'm happy to accept responsibility for my misreads and my actions. What I'm not going to do is change my methods just because they are not always successful. I know full well that town do scummy shit all the time. I'm no different. Sometimes I get mislynched for it. I'm notnearly as convinced you're scum as I was wreck. But that doesn't matter. You're still currently my strongest scum read. That's possibly a bad reflection of my performance this game, or maybe it's a reflection of how well scum are playing. Or maybe I'm right on this occasion. I don't like your exchange with farside, I think she makes some solid points and I'm happy with her sincerity above anything. So my vote is where I want it to be.

[EXAKT Science]

You're assuming town is going to be rational and/or act with their head 100% of the time

why would anyone assume that? town can be wrong. being wrong in and of itself isn't scummy. a town player can be wrong and push a bad case. this happens all the time, but the important thing isn't whether the case is correct or not, but what the motivation for making the case is in the first place. if you want to see a flip, vote it! why wouldn't you unless you wanted to distance yourself from it?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[DOMO]

You're assuming town is going to be rational and/or act with their head 100% of the time

Why would I assume this after wreck's flip? I don't assume this. I assume that someone exhibiting scummy behaviour has a greater probability of being scum than average. In my opinion, at the time, wreck had a much greater probability of flipping scum than average. As a poker player, I am not results orientated. If I go all in with KK and lose to AA, did I make a mistake? Of course not. If I get all in with KK, I'm likely to win significantly more than I lose. Even if I run into AA three times in a rown, and then lose to AQ next time, I'm still not going to stop doing what I'm doing. I'm playing the probabilities.

Based on what I see, at this moment, I would say that the probability of you being scum is higher than that of anyone else. Yes I'm making assumptions, of course I am. But I'm certainly not making 100% assumptions, especially immediately after being proven wrong.

[Not_Mafia]

Yes House was scummy, but it was the way he was being scummy that made him town, he was unapolagetic in his scumminess, he wasn't playing to survive. Mafia isn't about some sort of straight up quantification of scumminess, you're not looking at how I could reasonably anticipate the reception to my explanation and assessing how I would explain it as scum. You 're just honing in on "not behaving how town should; scum".

[DOMO]

You 're just honing in on "not behaving how town should; more likely to be scum".

fyp

[EXAKT Science]

Yes House was scummy, but it was the way he was being scummy that made him town, he was unapolagetic in his scumminess, he wasn't playing to survive. Mafia isn't about some sort of straight up quantification of scumminess, you're not looking at how I could reasonably anticipate the reception to my explanation and assessing how I would explain it as scum. You 're just honing in on "not behaving how town should; scum".

N_M, you are being very disingenuous right now! domo is not saying what you're accusing him of saying at all!

[EXAKT Science]

You 're just honing in on "not behaving how town should; more likely to be scum".

fyp

i laughed

[Not_Mafia]

You 're just honing in on "not behaving how town should; more likely to be scum".

fyp

This functionally the same, and not a response to my post