Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[Green Crayons]

Ollie's Post 1313 successfully:

1. Completely disowns his prominent role in making yesterday's lynch Victor, and shifts that blame elsewhere.

2. Makes up a weird story about protecting me last night that makes no sense.

3. Is just throwing whatever he can against his voters, hoping that something sticks to derail the votes.

4. Is doing this psychological guilt trip on his voters for having forced his hand to out his role (which in itself is suspicious in timing, as he was only at 4/7 votes when he claimed), when scum would have already figured out his role from process of elimination. Needless emotional attack.

I see no reason to change my vote. His slot's prior play was scummy. His play is scummy.

[Green Crayons]

@Anen:

I haven't received fruit nor have I been neighborized.

[farside22]

Also reading post 1313 from Ollie and his first line about caring about pr, if he cared and was doc, protecting the very first person makes more sense, never mind everyone knew doc was in the top 3.
It would make sense to protect in that group.

[Mathdino]

You might have misunderstood me. I'm uninterested in the Neighbourizer himself/herself, nor the Fruit Vendor.
On the other hand, I have a theory. It's not

too

possible, but if it's true the scums may be un-catchable later.
To confirm or deny that, I need to know which one of those roles exist. If the one which fits my theory is in the game, I need to ask another question later. If the answer for that another question is 'yes', I'm 99% sure that the Neighbourizer/Fruit Vendor is scum. (Even if it seems to be a silly thing.)

I'll reveal the theory later, even if it fails. But, explaining it before I have the answers would alert those who are involved in my theory.

I am aware of the existence of a neighborizer. I'm not going to tell you if I was neighborized, if I caught onto crumbs, or if that's just what I went for. A neighborizer exists.

Now tell me your theory.

[Mathdino]

STOP VOTING OLLIE UNTIL ANEN SPEAKS.

Literally my strongest townread without Alchemist, I need to know what he's thinking.

[Aneninen]

Okay, there comes my next question. You're aware of the fact that a Neighbourhood exists.
Can anyone tell me whether

Alchemist used to be in the Neighbourhood after Night 1

?

[Mathdino]

According to the setup, neighbourhoods are opened at daystart. Even if Alchemist was neighbourised last night, nothing would've happened.

I want to hear your full theory though.

[Mathdino]

@farside: I quoted the posts Alch made last page. If you don't see them I can requote it for you.

If anyone objects to me being conftown and actually thinks Alch checked someone else, speak now or forever hold your peace. This isn't cogbias, I literally just went through his ISO to look at his strongest reads.

[Aneninen]

I've asked about Night 1.

[Mathdino]

Again, won't tell you if I've been neighbourised, I caught onto people crumbing, or if I'm the neighbouriser, but I'm 99% sure Alchemist was not neighbourized N1.

Theory?

[Mathdino]

You all appear to have collectively forgotten
WE'RE IN MYLO, STOP VOTING.

[Green Crayons]

No we aren't.

[Green Crayons]

10 alive today.
1 lynched.
1 night kill.
8 alive tomorrow, 3 are scum.

[Green Crayons]

(Assuming we don't hit scum today.)

[Mathdino]

Whoops okay. I was going off my PoE notes and I accidentally crossed myself off as town and assumed I wasn't alive.

NEVER MIND MOVING ON.

[Mathdino]

What do you guys think the chances are that scum left Ollie to die? Any chance his slot is being prepped for being lynched?

[Mathdino]

As of yet there has been no evidence of scum roleblocking people. I'm rather sure Alchemist's night action went through. davesaz is unknown but they killed him so that'd be pointless.

This is weird.

[Green Crayons]

(shrug)

Maybe scum actually chose "doctor" instead of "roleblocker" in order to look more town, upon inspection of rolecop.

[Aneninen]

Okay, here's the theory. Keep in mind, that

according to the information we know, it's most probably NOT true.

I also thought that there is a Neighbourhood.
MathDino posted on Day1 that if Siv flipped scum I'd be FoS-ed by him. On Day2 he started advocating that I'm very-super-pro-town.
A possible answer for this change would have been if MathDino had Neighbourized Alchemist and Alchemist investigated me. (From a Neighbourizer it's one of the best strategies to get the Cop and advocate his/her investigations so as to protect him.)
Alchemist was Nightkilled and MathDino posted that HE had been investigated by the Cop at Night1.

This story would make perfect sense if MathDino were Mafia Neighbourizer, regardless of Ollie's alignment.

BUT, if it gets confirmed that both MathDino and Alchemist weren't in the same Neighbourhood, my theory is false. Right now, this seems to be the case.

So, if anyone can confirm that my theory is either true or false, please do so!

[Mathdino]

Nope, def not what happened.

Anyway Anen, thoughts on Ollie?

[Aneninen]

But, back to the original topic.
Ollie's Night 2 choice for his protection doesn't make much sense. (Whom did he protect on Night 1? Has he written that and have I missed it?) Therefore, it's probable that he's scum.

But, we have plenty of time. We should get reads on the other players too, as usual. In addition: who's town and who's scum if Ollie flips scum? And what if he flips town?

[Aneninen]

Lol, you ninja-ed me but eventually I answered your question.

[Mathdino]

Actually yeah its real convenient Ollie happened to protect the next highest player other than him and Alch.

I think theres def scum in the 1 and 2 people. Anen, Former, droog, Flubber, Adrien. And then wgeurts.

[farside22]

Okay, here's the theory. Keep in mind, that

according to the information we know, it's most probably NOT true.

I also thought that there is a Neighbourhood.
MathDino posted on Day1 that if Siv flipped scum I'd be FoS-ed by him. On Day2 he started advocating that I'm very-super-pro-town.
A possible answer for this change would have been if MathDino had Neighbourized Alchemist and Alchemist investigated me. (From a Neighbourizer it's one of the best strategies to get the Cop and advocate his/her investigations so as to protect him.)
Alchemist was Nightkilled and MathDino posted that HE had been investigated by the Cop at Night1.

This story would make perfect sense if MathDino were Mafia Neighbourizer, regardless of Ollie's alignment.

BUT, if it gets confirmed that both MathDino and Alchemist weren't in the same Neighbourhood, my theory is false. Right now, this seems to be the case.

So, if anyone can confirm that my theory is either true or false, please do so!

Just going to deny this and move on then

But, back to the original topic.
Ollie's Night 2 choice for his protection doesn't make much sense. (Whom did he protect on Night 1? Has he written that and have I missed it?) Therefore, it's probable that he's scum.

But, we have plenty of time. We should get reads on the other players too, as usual. In addition: who's town and who's scum if Ollie flips scum? And what if he flips town?

Still thinking flubber/adrien and finally droog.
Those are my only 3 scum reads at this time.

[Mathdino]

IF THERE EXISTS A TOWN UNIVERSAL BACKUP, DO NOT JAILKEEP ANYONE TONIGHT, THANK YOU.

IF YOURE SCUM YOU WILL BE OUTED. SO AGAIN, DONT JAILKEEP.