Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

[FourTrouble]

eyestott, help me lynch Ghost.

[Om of the Nom]

if pasch would be associated with anyone right now i think it would be with a zombeh scumflip

For wanting decent reasons before I vote? Suuuuuure. I'm totally scum for not sheeping your gut reads.

you have been against the wagon quite a lot without even reading zombehs as town and you have expressed your own dislike at some of zombeh's actions.
you are clearly taking no stance on zombehs other than you dont want him to be lynched but you arent pushing anyone else while you do it
this lynch is not a wasted lynch if it hits scum and the only defense you can give to the reasons i've outlined is that its a newbtell, which says absolutely nothing as to why it cant be scum

[Om of the Nom]

eyestott, help me lynch Ghost.

whats wrong with ghost?

[Paschendale]

if pasch would be associated with anyone right now i think it would be with a zombeh scumflip

For wanting decent reasons before I vote? Suuuuuure. I'm totally scum for not sheeping your gut reads.

you have been against the wagon quite a lot without even reading zombehs as town and you have expressed your own dislike at some of zombeh's actions.
you are clearly taking no stance on zombehs other than you dont want him to be lynched but you arent pushing anyone else while you do it
this lynch is not a wasted lynch if it hits scum and the only defense you can give to the reasons i've outlined is that its a newbtell, which says absolutely nothing as to why it cant be scum

My problem with it is that it's no more likely to hit scum than a random dice roll, and I don't like to play that way. I don't want to encourage such bad play.

As for a better suspect, I'm starting to suspect you. You're so dead set on quicklynching a newbie. Of course, scum knows if its a mislynch and so will fight for it harder, and know that it will stifle useful discussion.

[Om of the Nom]

mate

you have yet to fucking explain why the heck zombehs cant be scum

newbieness does not fucking matter when they have done legitimate scummy things

these are not fucking newb slip ups from town
and you havent told me why they would be

lynching anyone in this game is no more likely to hit than a random dice roll
it is not fucking bad play to choose a player to lynch

[Om of the Nom]

UNLESS YOU ARE EXPLICITLY READING ZOMBEHS AS TOWN YOU SHOULDNT BE DEFENDING THE WAGON

calling it a newblynch is just a fucking cop out to get yourself out of needing to form a read on him

[FourTrouble]

whats wrong with ghost?

I feel like he's going through the motions -- asking questions, taking a couple positions -- but doesn't care what happens. Part of this comes from his overuse of qualifiers like damn and fuck; overemphasizing points that don't need that emphasis makes the emotion feel very fake. You, Pasch, TN, eye, Math, and even FuD (who I want to see more from but I liked his first two posts) feel much more invested in what's happening.

[FourTrouble]

I agree with you about Zombeh. I'm down to lynch him, but for the moment, I don't think voting/pressuring him is very helpful. I'm also holding out because I'm hoping he's replaced, and I'm also paranoid he's an idiot noob town, so I'd rather focus on people who are here and who we can sort right now.

[FourTrouble]

UNLESS YOU ARE EXPLICITLY READING ZOMBEHS AS TOWN YOU SHOULDNT BE DEFENDING THE WAGON

This, too. Seriously.

[Om of the Nom]

I think I understand your point, but I dont think at this point my own thoughts on it warrant a vote.


but in reading his iso i realised

I'm a gun census. Which means I can count the number of guns each day. I just submitted the request for the first count.

we never got the answer to this?

[Flubbernugget]

Feeling om's case on zombehz

eyesott is town.

Four may be trying to get rid of a pr with his push on ghost, but considering the role I don't know how concerning that is.

VOTE: zombiez cuz it's like tn but worse

[Om of the Nom]

im p sure thats L-1 now

town gun census doesnt seem like too powerful of a role to really need to get rid of tbh

[Flubbernugget]

UNVOTE:

whoopsie

[Flubbernugget]

I would normally say we have more time to talk but considering the "old skool" deadlines I must now debate

[Flubbernugget]

There's also the matter of whether or not we get an ate ridden replace out from this guy that ends up conftowning him

[Om of the Nom]

i dont particularly want him at L-1 until he posts again but tbh we're probably just gonna have to wait until he gets prodded

[Flubbernugget]

How do you feel about chopping a week off of the deadline for his lynch

[Om of the Nom]

im about 90% sure that cooldog didnt change today's deadline and its still the 19th so im ok with that, heck maybe even two weeks off will be fine
but ultimately i still want a post from zombehs befpre any of that can happen

[Paschendale]

UNLESS YOU ARE EXPLICITLY READING ZOMBEHS AS TOWN YOU SHOULDNT BE DEFENDING THE WAGON

calling it a newblynch is just a fucking cop out to get yourself out of needing to form a read on him

That is complete and utter horseshit. If a lynch looks bad, I will certainly work to prevent it, even if I have a null read on its target. Meanwhile, the things you say are scummy about Zombehs aren't scummy. No matter how many times you say they are, it won't become true. You're just making up bullshit to justify your predetermined conclusion.

I feel like he's going through the motions -- asking questions, taking a couple positions -- but doesn't care what happens. Part of this comes from his overuse of qualifiers like damn and fuck; overemphasizing points that don't need that emphasis makes the emotion feel very fake.

This is an interesting point and I'm gonna go back and look at Ghost's posts with this in mind.

[Om of the Nom]

no matter how many times you say the lynch is bad, it wont become true.
i have provided so much more reason for believing zombehs to be scum than you have for believing it to be a bad lynch

for the last fucking time

newbies can be scum too

[Om of the Nom]

seriously
take newbiness out of the equation you have absolutely zero reason to believe it to be a bad lynch
if i take newbiness out of the equation i still have a case

[Paschendale]

Yeah, some of Ghost's emotional bits look empty. His analytic stuff is also dead wrong. We should not be lurker lynching on day 1.

Om... of course newbies can be scum. But nothing he's doing is scummy. It's just random alignment neutral newb stuff. You are simply equating the two. I am trying to show you that these points do not create a scumread. They're null. They're just indications of experience, not alignment. Your hellbent tunneling on a new player for a handful of posts is pretty suspect. You have no case. You have only a rant against a newbie for being a newbie. There's no good reason to think that you've found scum, and you're completely failing to sell it to me.

[Om of the Nom]

mate
tell me how lack of attempts to do anything is coming from town
he has made no effort to form opinions or push any arguments
he sheeped tn on a theory related thing
when pushed with votes instead of fighting back he immediately surrendered

he has not portrayed any desire to further the game state
he has not portrayed any conviction with anything he's said
therefore he has not portrayed any desire to be pro-town
therefore he deserves to be lynched

[Om of the Nom]

i dont care if you think a lurker lynch is bad d1, yea i think its mostly bad too
but the thing is this is also a lynch that i believe is gonna hit scum rather than just anyone
so im pushing it for that reason

[eyestott]

eyestott, help me lynch Ghost.

Why me?