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ok beforei forget
my only experience with bulba scum.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
bulba had his scumbuddies super bus him on day 1, and i remember in the dead qt he thought that twhile it was unfortunate he had been lynched, that he had put his buddies into great position to win (which they did end up doing).We of the Collective are of one mind.
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yeah in his iso bulba specifically remarks that he knew he had to die for scum to win
"I'm so glad that Desp was on the ball this game. I knew halfway through d1 that there was no way I was going to survive very far into the game and that I needed to die for our team to win. The only thing that would have made it better was if Yes was a little more on the ball."
"When I saw how much crap I was in, I knew you had to uber-bus me. In fact, if I had survived the day, I had planned on telling you to keep it up, as I saw no way both of us were surviving the game."We of the Collective are of one mind.
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In post 428, Pine wrote:Holy shit do you people ever stop talking? Two, three pages of useless drivel
This was pine moaning at me and shiny, because we were driving the conversation during this period. Why didn't pine like what we were saying? Over this period that pine refers to as drivel, shiny has pasch and bulba as scum, while I'm in the process of shitfting from mastin and shiny towards pine, and shiny eventually convinces me that bulba is scum too based on those games he linked.
In post 388, Paschendale wrote:In post 369, DOMO wrote:I dunno, I was simply mocking your idea of scumhunting.
Kinda agree with this assessment of what Shiny and a few others are doing here. It's not really helping the group accomplish anything to just make unfounded assertions. There is no reason to believe anyone when they don't offer reasons.
Interesting that pasch agreed with me about shiny's scumhunting skills. I wasn't impressed at the time because he wasn't explaining where his reads came from in any detail... but he was right about pasch. Maybe he was right about bulba too... pine and pasch seem really keen to slap down shiny. He was onto them, that's why he got NK'd n1.
In post 395, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:no, because hes scum. you just cant see it cuz you dont know how to see it
and then after he has flipped scum you have these wonderful reactions to my push from Pasche and Pine to tell you who the buddies are
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Is this what pine thinks is drivel? Two scum guaranteed, maybe three.
In post 421, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:In post 285, Pine wrote:Push on Bulba feels off. I don't see much scumminess from Bulba, much less what Hydreigon is showing
In post 322, Paschendale wrote:
I'm not seeing it. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone scum. Now, if you have a point to make or a case on Bulba, please share it. Otherwise, if you're not going to do something constructive, just shut up and sheep the players who are.
Noting the two reactions to my Bulba push that I think are telling again. If Bulba is scum like he should, I feel at least one of those is scum with him. Pasche more likely than Pine, because Pine's post came right after my exchange with Bulba and I'm not sure if scum would dare to do that before seeing how town takes it: if town agreed, then Pine would look bad for doing this. Paschendale on the other hand is confident in doing it knowing that Pine has stated this and Kitty has agreed.
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I think it's pretty clear that bulba has to go. Doubleslap is all over the place at the minute, but maybe he actually was fucking driving while posting shit on mafiascum. I thought that was too idiotic to be true, but the case against bulba just looks so compelling.-
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In post 2669, DOMO wrote:In post 931, Doubleslap wrote:i hate self votes so much
Why didn't my self vote upset you?
when did u self vote?
if voting me makes you happy then do it, but pls lynch the correct person tomorrow-
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so i kinda started stressing a bit when i was posting while driving and realized wat i wrote didn't make sense (after domo replied, quick aren't ya?) and so i started posting explanations that didn't make sense and....yeah
im going to go do some yard work to get into zen mode and then i'll come back and /actually/ read kitty's iso instead of quickly glancing over it
might as well bulb i guess too
heck i'll just read everyone's-
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In post 2682, Doubleslap wrote:quick aren't ya?
I'm a prolific lurker. No it's not alignment indicative.
I self voted today to put myself at L-1. I figured my lynch was necessary and with me being vanilla, the optimal mislynch. Only a scum lynch is better than my lynch.-
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In post 2675, DOMO wrote:I'm pretty sure that lynching bulba, doubleslap and aronis/pn is a town victory. Basically kitty and pn need to decide if I should be lynched, and if so, who I should be traded for.
This seems highly manipulative.
DOMO's # 2679 is exactly what I said he'd be trying to do yesterday: Use dead players to push mislynches. He takes multiple posts out of context to do this. The Pine post, for example, was about players spamming the thread and radically increasing the page count. In fact, that was one of the reasons Pine was lynched: For complaining about such things and doing zero scumhunting. A quick look through Pine's ISO will find him solely complaining about how fast the game was moving, while offering little else. It's amazing that a player who is trying to draw a connection between someone not liking a long day and not liking a quickhammer is trying to push someone not liking large page counts as trying to protect a buddy. That seems like a complete opposite and convenient stance. He also ignores the fact that Wisdom later stated that he was never scumreading me, and was instead reaction testing me. DOMO ignores all that, though, and makes Shiny his poster boy for his push, stating that was obviously why Shiny was NK'd, even though simple pattern analysis of the night kills would point toward scum eliminating strong universally townread players. And then he points out that Pine and Pasch were obviously protecting me, even though PN just pointed out a game where I realized when I was down and would have told my scum partners to keep pushing (DOMO admits to reading this game, btw.). So, given that this game had day talk at the time, and I was under a similar amount of pressure, wouldn't it be plausible that as scum I'd tell my partners to not protect me? There was no need to create associatives like that, but DOMO is ignoring all that, and using a dead player, whose reads were constantly in flux, to push his pet mislynch.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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bulba you're completely ignoring the fact that I'm happy to be lynched. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not scum. What have I been doing today? Trying to save myself? Or trying to narrow down the scum so my mislynch can be afforded?
Why are you so focussed on me at this point of the game bulba? Why don't you do what I'm doing... accept your own lynch, and find two others to take down with you. I'm one... who's the other?-
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So, I tried some vote analysis math:
Spoiler: VoteAnalysisMath
Interesting things I've noticed from this:
domo votes a lot.
the oft replaced Dr/GiF/ES slot rarely votes and has somehow only voted for still living players.
pine and pasch never once voted each other, despite both being under pressure.
pine and pasch have incredibly high rates of voting the dead townies.
bulba has aneven higherrate of voting the dead townies.
DS and domo also have fairly high rates of voting the dead townies with fairly low rates of voting the dead scum.
DS, bulba, and the PN slot were never voted by the dead scum.
Overall, there isn't much that's conclusive here, but it moves my perspective a little. I'm even more sure now that I don't want to lynch NM ever and I feel a little better about PN. I'm also a bit more open to a bulba or DS lynch.-
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In post 2687, DOMO wrote:Just lynch me, bulba and doubleslap. If it's bert, well done to him for towning up and obvscum slot. If it's kitty, well done to her for being amazing scum. If it's NM, well done for tricking me into shifting my read. And if it's science, fuck him for being lame.
But, I don'treallylike any of those lynches.
If I could, I'd lynch you, bulba, ds,andpn.Then, I'd feel comfortable about winning. As is, I still don't know which of those four I least want to lynch.
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In post 2689, KittyCupCake wrote:But, I don't really like any of those lynches.
It's between bulba and doubleslap. I'm not worried about PN so much now. Yeah aronis was terrible, but terrible doesn't always mean scum. I'd prefer it if we had four lynches to get this right, but I'm still comfortable with how it's shaping up.-
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In post 2690, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:Why do you feel [a little] better about Us now?
Your slot's votes are right in the expected range. Scum voting patterns tend to be outliers. -It's far from conclusive, but it points in your favor.DOMO wrote:In post 2689, KittyCupCake wrote:But, I don't really like any of those lynches.
It's between bulba and doubleslap. I'm not worried about PN so much now. Yeah aronis was terrible, but terrible doesn't always mean scum. I'd prefer it if we had four lynches to get this right, but I'm still comfortable with how it's shaping up.
Well, the data agrees with you.-
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In post 863, Pine wrote:Hmm
And how would you know that the people you're WKing are Townies if not in the informed minority
In sarcasm, there is truth. That might've been a true blue scumslip
Ugh, I said I wouldn't move off of Shiny, but they've shut up, and I want to pursue this
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Vote: KCC
In post 865, Pine wrote:Ugh
Yeah, I misread that. 3:30 AM is not good on my brain. Withdrawn
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Vote: Shiny Hydra
In post 866, KittyCupCake wrote:Well, pine is town for believing he caught an actual slip. That's one less to read.
In post 869, Doubleslap wrote:oh yeah townreads you can't understand my poe if I don't give you those I have sh kcc farside aronis as town mastin pine slightly town now but less so but more of a don't lynch thempine catching a scumslip is not a towntell I've seen scum fake thinking they caught something beforeas for where lol idr but it's strongly familiar basically not all out town but his most recent posts i like enough to back off ok night
Why would a scumDS say this, as opposed to just not saying anything here and letting me false clear pine?-
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In post 2695, KittyCupCake wrote:Why would a scumDS say this, as opposed to just not saying anything here and letting me false clear pine?
Well I can think of two reasons - town cred, and to make you look iffy when pine flips.
That's not necessarily what I think, I'm leaning more in bulba's direction than slap's. But I'm not prepared to clear doubleslap on that alone, I'll need more before I'm comfortable with moving them into the town pile.-
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In post 2696, DOMO wrote:I'm leaning more in bulba's direction than slap's.
Yeah, looking over everything, bulba was "scumreading" pasch for large parts of day 1, but his vote always kept ending up elsewhere. He didn't ever lay down a vote on pasch until all the way up at 1256, at thevery heightof that initial pasch wagon where it looked liked he'd be the lynch for sure, and even that:
In post 1256, Bulbazak wrote:The one thing that is certain Mastin is that you are master of your own meta. Saying that you wouldneveruse a strategy again just opens you up to use it when it's most convenient, and while the circumstances aren't exactly the same, I can see how it could be most convenient now. You haven't been arguing concerning anything real gameplay-wise. Concerning scumhunting, you've been pretty silent. However, you've been very loud about how you'dneverdo X as scum, even though everyone who is familiar with you knows that you can manipulate your meta at will as scum. This has all been a smokescreen, maybe that by arguing about it, you'll have room enough in the fog to still pull it off, because you might be able to plant enough doubt.
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I just realized that you already set up the dominos when we weren't paying attention. The arguments haven't been aboutifPasch is scum, butwhohe's scum with. You handed us a sure scum lynch in the hopes that we'd hang ourselves. If we don't lynch Pasch, then not only will we likely shoot ourselves in the foot, but then you'll focus on who kept the Pasch lynch from going through. If we do lynch Pasch, you'll then draw paranoia on who wasn't on the wagon, while pursuing those lynches that you have both promised you'd pursue. The only thing I don't get is how you both orchestrated your sudden shifts toward Pasch-scum, since neither of you were scumreading him beforehand.
...and even that was just bulba tying mastin to pasch for a follow-up mislynch.
It's time to stop dicking around and give domo what he wants.
VOTE: bulba-
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Looked back, and mastin didn't have kitty as a townread. More towards the bottom. Bulb was his top scumread, so there's that... I am biasing...so tempted to continue tunneling kitty but must not give in. Tunnel as in be hypocritical and say "you're keepinf your options wide open, molding reads at the current time to match game state <PN, DOMO> to <DS, Bulba> etc etc"
I am torn about all the many options, having to balance opinions about 6 other players (well, 5 since one is MIA)
As for tying mastin to pasch for a mislynch, judging by mastin's D1 play he would have been difficult to mislynch D2.
I just remembered while on bulba's ISO page, that I thunk Not Mafia said #279 could be a Bulba-slip with the "wisdom one day you'll learn to scumhunt" or something
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In post 405, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:alright.
some homework if you're up to it:
Here are two ISOs of two Bulba games:
Chain of Command
Playing Card
Read just a few D1 posts from each, and without spoiling yourself, tell me what you think Bulba is in each game.
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In post 411, DOMO wrote:So let's have a look at bulba this game and compare to the two linked above. Note that I have not spoiled bulb's role in either of the linked games, and won't until I'm done.
Ok there's a distinct difference between the two games through the opening stages, and that's his activity. I'm assuming this is what you're getting at shiny. Chain of Command, he's driving the conversation enthusiastically from the off. Playing Card, he makes his intro post then disappears. I'm gonna say based on scanning his ISO in these games that he's town in CoC, while PC he's scum, and if that's the case then my lean on him this game might shift in the direction of scummy.
Ooooooh never noticed this post lol...
Bulba town 1429, got lynched, had correct reads Day 1 but went away from them
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=31157
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Town 1576, survived, pegged scum Anatole and Peregrine
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=5893224
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