Once Upon A Winter Night - [Game Over]

[Tammy]

I got drunk and forgot to ISO honeybee last night OR I got drunk and forgot what I read in her ISO. Either way her post okay leaves me feeling meh and I'm fine lynching her.

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Servants - what were your neighborhood discussions like? What are your reads from them?

[Tammy]

* her post today

[Tammy]

Adam Everley- Gaiden
Adrianna Copperfish
Aria Chatowic- Nobody special
Edicard Brennan- Tammy
Father Gregory
Geneviere Norweld- norscience
Jalen Norweld-Katsuki
Lydia Norweld
Stannia Brennan-beast charizard
Tirius Norweld-Konowa
William Brennan- Ooba

:/

Honeybee is Adrianna/Gregory since we're the only ones left, I am kinda upset this went through without the unanimous decision, but w/e. I just hope there is a doctor. Gaiden not having a neighborhood with ABR isn't surprising. ckd was my husband, but we have zero means of communication this game outside the game thread

Nobody is posting. Waiting for everyone to respond would have met with nothing.

[Tammy]

Hello, and yes I am adrianna, cook and servant watcher. I'll post some thoughts in a bit after I've read.

How long will this bit be? And you've obviously read if you've made this post.

[Konowa]

unvote;
Vote: Honey bee

[Tammy]

Beast - you were convinced marquis was scum and he wasn't. Can you explain why you think ooba is scum?

1. Marquis dropped actual scum tells or at least what I thought were scum tells so totally justified in me thinking they were scum.

2. Equinox didn't see you as obvious town which you were so it makes me suspicious. I probably have no credibility though.

2. I don't know how to respond to that. Or even what to think about it. I'm just kinda confused.

[Konowa]

Not much of an update but to account for NS and Honey being the remaining servants. If one flips Scum, the other is Town.

kats
beast
Tammy
Kovara
notsci
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{Nobody Special/Honey}
Gaiden
ooba

[Tammy]

Gaiden -what was yur relationship to prie and was she mentioned in your role pm?

[Tammy]

Konowa - is that list in order? (The scum part, don't care about town part)

[ooba]

So if Gaiden flips town I can lynch you? I am convinced you are scum.

IF gaiden flips town and IF you can get the rest of the town.

Also, your scum hunting is superficial at best. Who are my partners? I'm just trying to figure out if you're moving from "Marquis is SURELY scum" to "Ooba is DEFINETLY scum" to avoid talking about anything else.

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@Konowa: You really think I started the game off by mentioning the other two suspects you have {HB, Gaiden}? Approve of the HB vote though.

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Something about the setup seems a bit off. Even if we assume scum have a role blocker - its too easy to become "Follow the cop". Watchers watch the cop - so either way you get the result. Scum-JK avoids that. I would have said 4 scum in order to compensate for this and the 'you need names to kill' thing - but Lovers on top of that seems harsh.

@HoneyBee: Any mention of Sophia? Whats your quote about?

[Kovara]

Both servants are for sure town, with a flipped scum servant.

One watcher watches me, the other watches notsci. that way, if either of us die, Scum will have to risk getting lynched tomorrow with the lack of the doc in this set-up.

even if there is a JK, the neighbors are not to say who targets who so there's a 50% chance of getting caught which is a very risky thing to take at this point in time

[Kovara]

I mean, unless you guys really believe there could be two scum-watchers in a 3-watcher neighborhood.

[Kovara]

Adrianna Copperfish-Honey bee
Aria Chatowic- Nobody special
Geneviere Norweld- norscience
Lydia Norweld-Ms Marangal

Jalen Norweld-Katsuki
Stannia Brennan-beast charizard
Tirius Norweld-Konowa

Edicard Brennan- Tammy
Stannia Brennan-beast charizard
William Brennan- Ooba

Adam Everley- Gaiden

I think this game is already considerably solved. Top group is nearly confirmed town and nobody should be voting within that group, ever.

there is one scum within the Inheritance, and one scum within the Brennan household, IIRC and beastcharizard is probably the most likely in that respect, and Gaiden is a left over, and probably scum I think as it doesn't seem like those with PR's can be in the line of inheritance.

I also think that, the lack of knowing names would make my role alot weaker, and the fact that I couldn't use it until D2 makes it even more so and, the set-up is really only breakable at this point because of how the flips happened, and without them it probably wouldn't be as much.

In that sense, I think it's beast is probably the best lynch to have this day phase

VOTE: beastcharizard

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 3.5

SXTLHGaiden [1] - ooba
ooba [1] - beastcharizard
Honey Bee [1] - Konowa
beastcharizard [1] - Kovara

Not Voting [6]

- katsuki, SXTLHGaiden, Honey Bee, Tammy, Nobody Special, notscience

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

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Deadline is January 10, 2015, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-01-10 13:00:00)

[Tammy]

Assuming the servants are cleared is really dangerous.

Also, a watch on notscience is useless, there's no way in hell scum will waste a shot there even if he has a clear.

[Kovara]

Assuming the servants are cleared is really dangerous.

sure, I guess but how likely do you think is a two-scum, one town neighborhood in a 3p or 4p team? two scum watchers seems excessive, IMO

[Tammy]

Assuming the servants are cleared is really dangerous.

sure, I guess but how likely do you think is a two-scum, one town neighborhood in a 3p or 4p team? two scum watchers seems excessive, IMO

About as likely as I considered 3 scum in a 4 person neighborhood in viscon.

Maybe in a normal game two scum watchers in one neighborhood would seem weird, but in this game? I wouldn't put it past him. I also wouldn't put it past him especially considering that antihero was the butler, related to someone else in the game, and he didn't flip traitor. I would think if it was a family job and a servant helped out that would be the case.

I'm looking at play, and while I do have a reason to town read nobody special, I don't for honeybee.

[Tammy]

I have a meeting in the morning, so I'm going to bed.

[Kovara]

you know, I hate you sometimes

I think this game was confirmed singular team, though so the circumstances if that game aren't going to be the same as the circumstances here, nor will the weird set-up thingies will be, even if the mod is the same?

it sounded better in my head, but at this point I think keeping watchers alive and having them do our bidding is a good thing, especially since we aren't anywhere near lylo.

at this moment, probabilities are probably our best bet and tomorrow, we will probably get another clear from me, or possible confirmed scum.

[Kovara]

alternatively, if we are comparing this to wingate, the Brennan family is all town and the scum is someone else in the inheritance. Gaiden being an extra person with no real relation to anyone else, though is weird.

[Tammy]

but you <3 me.

I wasn't comparing it to viscon, just bringing it up as a foundation for things i wouldn't put past fake god.

Gaiden was related to ABR in some way.

I'm really crashing now.

[ooba]

I mean, unless you guys really believe there could be two scum-watchers in a 3-watcher neighborhood.

I actually think two scum in the servant neighbourhood - seems a bit too town balanced otherwise with your role. It also follows my current read with HB as scum. But like you said - makes sense to keep the watcher alive when there's one other scum out there for sure.

beast can be sorted out tomorrow with flips - he did stay away from the AH wagon and I don't like the sole focus on one suspect at a time (and it happens to be me) - but there have been some town-vibes.

Gaiden's hammer on D1 screamed scum. He needs to go.

[Konowa]

Also Konowa may be scum on the basis that he's never drawn a town role PM in a game where I'm town. :/

And I think that's what was feeding my early read/paranoia of you, but I figured that out and backed off and decided I'd just ignore you and figure you out later. Nothing really to point to but I'm pretty sure you're "I don't have a cool role demotivated Town" cupcake rather than "I'm a lurksack Scum" cupcake.

Konowa - is that list in order? (The scum part, don't care about town part)

It was just a list of people I'd be willing to lynch, but giving it more than five seconds of thought it's probably the order from which I want to lynch Today with the gap between ooba and Gaiden larger than Gaiden and {NS/Honey}.

@Konowa: You really think I started the game off by mentioning the other two suspects you have {HB, Gaiden}? Approve of the HB vote though.

One thing I learned from kats awhile ago was that if you're going to bus it better be Fate-like. So, do I think it's possible that you would come in and immediately step on your partner's throat? Sure.

Can someone better explain to me the reasoning behind leaving both Watchers alive given than a number of people think that one of them is Scum?

[SXTLHGaiden]

hey ooba, can you explain why my hammer was scummy?

[Kovara]

VOTE: Gaiden