(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

Titus · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:47 pm

In post 822, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:if we are correct eddie claimed first though
so if you are trying to say eddie could be fascist scum or part of a majority-fascist scumteam i do not see why he would claim first
especially because if that is the case he would have to have been gambling on the assumption that there exist town fascist roles as well to back him up

I bet the mod would have included such a fake claim.

eyestott · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:52 pm

In post 824, Titus wrote:Eyesttot could be dumb for believing I can quote any part of mod communications.

I never said that! I said you can quote yourself.

Titus · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:55 pm

In post 826, eyestott wrote:
In post 824, Titus wrote:Eyesttot could be dumb for believing I can quote any part of mod communications.

I never said that! I said you can quote yourself.

You are asking me to quote what I said to the mod. That's quoting mod communication to me. period.

EddieFenix · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:02 pm

I never claimed to be the smartest person ever, I can say that with certainty xD.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:07 pm

In post 827, Titus wrote:
In post 826, eyestott wrote:
In post 824, Titus wrote:Eyesttot could be dumb for believing I can quote any part of mod communications.

I never said that! I said you can quote yourself.

You are asking me to quote what I said to the mod. That's quoting mod communication to me. period.

titus your a mod, someon asks you question A, you answer question A. They now ask question A again word for word in public for you to answer. is that quoting mod communication?

(heres a hint: its not)

eyestott · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:30 pm

In post 829, Pirate Ika wrote:
In post 827, Titus wrote:
In post 826, eyestott wrote:
In post 824, Titus wrote:Eyesttot could be dumb for believing I can quote any part of mod communications.

I never said that! I said you can quote yourself.

You are asking me to quote what I said to the mod. That's quoting mod communication to me. period.

titus your a mod, someon asks you question A, you answer question A. They now ask question A again word for word in public for you to answer. is that quoting mod communication?

(heres a hint: its not)

Yeah, i would be surprised if that was a modkillable offence. Ive done it before in other games, and I have never been modkilled.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:56 pm

here lets even take it one step further:

mod, is it quoting mod communication if a player quotesa question they asked you but not the answer?

example:
player ask: Can a doc self target
You respond: no they can not

player now ask "can a doc self target" publicly but does not state answer

---

also, are roles allowed to self target or is it implied that they can not unless stated in role PM?

It is not considered moderator communication.
Also, barring moderator error (because it is always possible I accidentally forgot to include a disclaimer where one was meant to be), roles are allowed to self-target unless stated or required otherwise. >>>

Pine · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:32 pm

In post 824, Titus wrote:
In post 821, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 817, Titus wrote:@Klingon, The rage is that common on USMB (US Message Board) but I am confused. Wisdom has seemed to have played with you and not seen the same rage. Plus the case that Eddie and Pine are dumb is appealing. I doubt Eddie Pine and Eyestott are all dumb but it's ok for today.

Go back. Explain like we're five. No curse words.

The thing with Wisdom is he saw my extremely over-the-top well-behaved side. He thought I was getting kind of aggro here. I showed him what aggro's really like.

Why are you saying "dumb"?

I already said all there is to say. ISO my posts, ignore the fake ragepost.

No. You really haven't. The rage did look a little fake, almost like you were emulating me and it felt off. I never recalled you getting that aggressive even when you were attacked. I am known to tunnel and I was your IC but you never had that habit. Why now?

I am saying they could be dumb for differing reasons.
Eddie could be dumb for claiming Facist as a faction rather than descriptor.
Pine could be dumb for stating he would come back Communist to alignment cops when he meant to narrow to flavor cops.
Eyesttot could be dumb for believing I can quote any part of mod communications.

That explains the team analysis. It does not make sense for teams to have multiple players doing the same role for a scum group.

I'm not dumb. My role PM does not specify anything about flavor cops, it just says 'cops'

mastin2 · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:51 pm

So, uh. It's late. Like, really, really late. I'm dead tired, here. I've been working all day. I went swimming which makes it worse. I get up relatively early, and not only have college work (that isn't finished...heck, isn't even started) due tomorrow, but

also

additionally work five more hours tomorrow, so I really. REALLY. shouldn't be here. Yet as the moderator of this game, I feel obligated to check in at least once a day, no matter how unhealthily I may be doing so, so here I am.

If there was a prize for "stupidest, most idiotic, masochistic, careless, reckless person ever", I'd be the undisputed goddess of it.

Ten pages of content and question-answering to come shortly.

Fifteenth Votecount

:

Klingoncelt - 5 (Ankamius, Wisdom, alivechihiro, EddieFenix, ProHawk)

Eddie Fenix - 3 (Bulbazak, Toon Fighter, Klingoncelt)

Toon Fighter - 2 (Fluminator, farside22)
Titus - 2 (Frightened inmate number3, Alchemist21)
Muffin - 2 (Awesome, Pirate Ika)
Awesome - 1 (Muffin)
farside22 - 1 (guille2015)
Wisdom - 1 (Nobody Special)
alivechihiro - 1 (PeregrineV)
shos - 1 (BlizZard)
eyestott - 1 (shos)
Frightened inmate number3 - 1 (Jackel98)

Not Voting: 6 (Mathdino, DrippingGoofBall, ArcAngel9, Pine, Titus, eyestott)

With

27

alive, it's

14

to lynch.

Day One's deadline is Thursday, January 29th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2015-01-29 16:15:00).

At Deadline,

Klingoncelt

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 28, post 686.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D1

Edit:

Votecount now live, however, as it is 4:15 AM, no proofreading. I'll fix any errors tomorrow.

<<< Mathdino is being given 24 hours to respond to a final message. If he does not respond, I will begin seeking a replacement.
Also, I am quoting below me Voidedmafia's votecounts; give him a round of applause for filling in for me! >>>

Spoiler: Votecount 13

Spoiler: Votecount 14

Wisdom · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:37 am

In post 807, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:with this many people claiming fascist or communist the only logical assumption is that they are role modifiers

and in addition to how common they seem to be

you're apparently not reading the game. Only one player claimed that and it was a mistake. How are they common?

eyestott · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:39 am

In post 834, Wisdom wrote:
In post 807, Frightened inmate number3 wrote:with this many people claiming fascist or communist the only logical assumption is that they are role modifiers

and in addition to how common they seem to be

you're apparently not reading the game. Only one player claimed that and it was a mistake. How are they common?

Wisdom · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:48 am

I believe Klingon that the rage thing was just a demonstration than actual rage, because that seems more plausible than randomly raging out of nowhere like she did. But I still take issue in how she has some scumreads that make little to zero sense and she feels content with them and wants to do nothing else.

Klingon, eddie has explained how the fascist thing was a misunderstanding. Do you not believe him?

farside22 · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:49 am

In post 817, Titus wrote:@Klingon, The rage is that common on USMB (US Message Board) but I am confused. Wisdom has seemed to have played with you and not seen the same rage. Plus the case that Eddie and Pine are dumb is appealing. I doubt Eddie Pine and Eyestott are all dumb but it's ok for today.

Go back. Explain like we're five. No curse words.

Weren't you the one pushing the case on pine there for a bit?

Where did you realize it was wrong?

farside22 · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:51 am

I'm starting to lean scum on jackal.
The reason for his vote on fi3 was pretty weak.
Toon is still scum and should have more votes.

eyestott · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:53 am

In post 838, farside22 wrote:I'm starting to lean scum on jackal.
The reason for his vote on fi3 was pretty weak.
Toon is still scum and should have more votes.

The reason for his vote on me was pretty weak too, in my opinion.

farside22 · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:01 am

I have a few moments with the computer I'm going to explain my TF scum read a bit better now.

First we have this comment from TF

In post 159, Toon Fighter wrote:
In post 156, Pine wrote:
In post 62, Ankamius wrote:I'm a miller.

VOTE: shos

I am a Town Communist Miller. Cop investigations on me will return a result of "Communist"

Really wanted to consider this a counterclaim of the quoted, but I don't think it is. Two entirely different things

There is an enormous dearth of things posted in this thread so far that are worth reading, with one enormous exception:

Mastin, your color commentary is a work of true beauty. I laughed out loud more times catching up than I do in entire long game threads. If you wish it, I will bear your offspring

Hmmm...

If you are a Communist Miller, and not a simple miller, that can mean a couple of things:

1) There are multiple scum factions in this game

2) One of them is called the Communists

3) We need to hear more from Pine, and a clarification of his claim

Wisdom wrote:he was obviously just kidding. Don't like how serious you're trying to sound

He may have been just kidding, and Awesome is scummy as hell for attacking him like that, but your chainsaw defense of Muffin also reeks of scum protecting one another. +1 scum points for Wisdom + Muffin as partners

These are TF's scum reads and he puts people together for pretty weak reason's.
1) protecting a player is null
2) attacking a player that maybe joking and you can't tell is not scummy as hell.
They basically are weak points.

Next you have this post.

In post 402, Toon Fighter wrote:Are you claiming fascist, Eddie?
EDIT: looks like you are. huh. I'll take some time to think about that

In post 380, Titus wrote:
In post 379, guille2015 wrote:All votes on Ankamius suck. Except for Prohawk's since he made a case other than claiming Miller.

Yeah and if you're voting Ank based on claiming Miller it's shit. The cops get traditional town/scum results. I checked via PM. So Pine should be speed lynched.

Titus has some very interesting information about Pine, if it is true, but I don't understand why would mastin tell him stuff over a PM and not on-topic. Also, we could have different types of cops, and therefore receive different kinds of responses

Would like to hear more from Nobody Special (confirms and a naked vote), Dripping Goofbal (who softclaimed VT), and Pine (hasn't clarified his claim and responded to Ankamius)

Alchemist21 has a very interesting role, actually;

mastin, what alignment would a hypothetical Town-Shunned Miller Godfather have

<<< Alignment is the first word in a person's role PM, e.g. "Town Role", "scum role", where town/scum is the alignment and role is their role. There is an exception to this, being "Vanilla Townie", where role comes first and alignment second. This additionally does not count for third parties, whose role IS their alignment; throw out formatting rules for them. >>>

And while NS doesn't post, and because my first RV didn't count, I'll just have to
vote: Nobody Special

Why does he want to hear more from those that claimed? Why note those claims in thread.
There is no town reason for noting claims in thread in my view.
He also says he is going to look back at the Eddie claim, this is after his comment about multi-factions and being aware it was stated.

In post 466, Toon Fighter wrote:@Eddie: You claim you are aligned with the Fascists. You also claim you are looking for a specific scum group. What is that? The way you put it seems like you are in a scum team and looking for the other. Actually, I'll just
vote: EddieFenix
. I am not sure if you are scum, but your words seem to dig you deeper in every post.

Then we finally have the wash, rinse, repeat of what others said already about Eddie's claim.
this reads pretty shitty since he was (1) already aware of the claim and (2) opportunistically scummy vote. (3) he never goes back to his own initially reads he had.

Titus · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:08 am

In post 837, farside22 wrote:
In post 817, Titus wrote:@Klingon, The rage is that common on USMB (US Message Board) but I am confused. Wisdom has seemed to have played with you and not seen the same rage. Plus the case that Eddie and Pine are dumb is appealing. I doubt Eddie Pine and Eyestott are all dumb but it's ok for today.

Go back. Explain like we're five. No curse words.

Weren't you the one pushing the case on pine there for a bit?
Where did you realize it was wrong?

It isn't necessarily wrong but it is not as ironclad as I thought. Pine being a total derping guy is possible. If his role PM looks like

"communist miller"
You fuck with cop results.

He thinks he returns Communist to all cops when it's not true but he thinks he is being honest.

Titus · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:11 am

What results would you tell a hypothetical cop they would get in their role Pm?

<<< I cannot answer that, sorry; that information is available only to a cop. >>>

You happy now.

Titus · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:13 am

@Pine you are misunderstanding or scum since the mod said she wouldn't lie to us in our role PMs.

Titus · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:17 am

In post 836, Wisdom wrote:I believe Klingon that the rage thing was just a demonstration than actual rage, because that seems more plausible than randomly raging out of nowhere like she did. But I still take issue in how she has some scumreads that make little to zero sense and she feels content with them and wants to do nothing else.

Klingon, eddie has explained how the fascist thing was a misunderstanding. Do you not believe him?

Klingon claimed the rage was fake in 821.

eyestott · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:21 am

Okay, a traditional cop, yes.
However, couldn't there be a cop along the lines of:

Example faction cop PM wrote:Hello,
Playername
! You are a
Town Faction Cop!
.
Each night you may target one player. If successful, you will be informed of what faction they show up as.
You possess no powers aside from your instinct and your intuition, along-side your ability to investigate, express your voice and to vote.

You are aligned with the
town
; you win when all threats to it have been eliminated and at least one town player lives.

Please confirm in-thread you've read and understand your role PM. Game thread's here.

Good luck, and have fun!

Isn't that a conceivable role?

<<< Fixed broken tag. >>>

eyestott · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:22 am

Mastin, can you please fix the colouring in the previous post?

Wisdom · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:23 am

In post 844, Titus wrote:Klingon claimed the rage was fake in 821.

i know?

ProHawk · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:30 am

Klingon, I don't get your math, why couldn't there be four scum on a team?

Titus · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:43 am

In post 845, eyestott wrote:Okay, a traditional cop, yes.
However, couldn't there be a cop along the lines of:

Example faction cop PM wrote:Hello,
Playername
! You are a
Town Faction Cop!/color]
.
Each night you may target one player. If successful, you will be informed of what faction they show up as.
You possess no powers aside from your instinct and your intuition, along-side your ability to investigate, express your voice and to vote.

You are aligned with the
town
; you win when all threats to it have been eliminated and at least one town player lives.

Please confirm in-thread you've read and understand your role PM. Game thread's here.

Good luck, and have fun!

Isn't that a conceivable role?

Yes. But then

all cops

would not return communist.