Open 586: Playing With Elements~ (D7)

[SilverWolf]

First, I could not justify staying on that Dodgy wagon when his latest posts are so townie.

Second, I do not like BBT's pushes this game, they do not seem genuine to me at all. His questions go nowhere. He just does a lot of things that look town but are superficial and if you dig deeper you'll see he doesn't follow up like town would.

I'm not sure how to describe this better when I am sleep deprived and dealing with insomnia.

[Titus]

@Dodgy

re 915, self preservation is more likely to be scum motivated because technically scum just need to avoid getting lynched in order to win. On the other hand, town need to go out and try to push for scum lynches. Does that make sense?

Can you remind why you are scumreading Mathblade? Or was it just because of her scumread on both Flames and Kelbris that you have an issue with.

i guess that makes sense, but i can also see why a townie would self-preservation vote because they know their own allignment yet dont know the allignment of the other. i dont think its as indicative as you make it out to be. I can see reasons for both factions to do it.

regarding math:

yeah thats the main reason. i was kinda OMGUS over his actual vote on me which was based on me brain-farting and saying he was town-reading kel and flames. My issue with that was that i had already cleared up that i mean scumreading and he came out and called it blatant misrep.

then we have the point where im clearly saying he is kinda scummy yet typed "Im still kinda scummy". i mean it was fairly obvious what i meant and his reaction was over the top. seems kinda like he is trying to discredit me but idk. Can anyone tell me if this is typical math play?

Math tends to quibble over language but this seems forcedish for her. I am more concerned by the lack of posts.

[Titus]

unlike dodgy, dave wagon is getting serious resistance. guess what that means folks

"I don't see anything bad with Dave" -> so conjuring contradictions is okay. got it

Pretty sure I was "seriously resisting" a dodgy wagon.

i think what wax means here is resistance in numbers rather than in strength of individual reisistance

I am pretty sure a Wax wagon would encounter a lot of resistance but he's obvious town. Resistance in a vacuum means nothing.

[Titus]

@titus, a lot of your case for BBT being scum needs Flames to also be scum, correct? what im getting at is that im a little confused why you are voting BBT over flames? i understand you thinking that all 3 are scum, but unless im misreading your case, if flames flipped town it would significantly weaken your case on BBT

Probably, but is it not a requirement. I think I said somewhere to consider my vote on both. I have pushed for votes on both.

BBT could be scum with wgerts (but less likely) and everything I said is similar. The difference being BBT couldn't push Flames w/out appearing really opportunistic.

[Wax]

Dodgy wagon - VysePresident, Wax, kelbris,

wgeurts

,

MathBlade

, SilverWolf,

davesaz

There is one, possibly two, scum in those red names.

titus do you disagree with this?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cba with this yet.

[guille2015]

Vote: Davesaz

[Titus]

Dodgy wagon - VysePresident, Wax, kelbris,

wgeurts

,

MathBlade

, SilverWolf,

davesaz

There is one, possibly two, scum in those red names.

titus do you disagree with this?

No as I think BBT/Math are both scum.

[Wax]

bbt is not on the wagon though. do you think its just math who is scum on there?

consider the possibility bbt is town and the scum on there are math and dave

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your read has changed on me Wax?

[Wax]

we're unsure on you, we'll go with you being town for now

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How has that changed? And why?

[Wax]

your posting improved

i still dont think that you're incapable of posting anything you've posted as scum, but we'll see. you're not a priority in any case

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How did it improve?

[Wax]

you went from doing nothing to doing things

your wgeurts push is idiotic, but it's at least better than your early thread avoidance

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, I mean, you were still scum-reading me when I was pushing Wgeurts and I haven't done anything since then.

So, yeah. I'm not buying that.

[SilverWolf]

Everything BBT is doing is easily faked by scum.

It's all superficial BS.

It looks good but that doesn't mean it is if you look deeper and see it's BS.

Math's posts are pretty shallow as well. I can see her being scum also.

Dave at least picked up his posting so my scumread on him isn't as strong as it was, although he's an acceptable lynch.

Wgeurts is just null. He needs to participate more. So does insanity and guille.

Flames was scummy-need to hear from the replacement.

Alchemist, Vyse lean town.

Wax, Titus, House, Kelbris, Dodgy, Shinobi all look town. Shinobi I'm partially reading from Grib's play also.

And that's my updated view on the gamestate right now.

[Wax]

Wax, Titus, House, Kelbris, Dodgy, Shinobi all look town. Shinobi I'm partially reading from Grib's play also.

agreeing with this list, replacing me with you

[Wax]

So, yeah. I'm not buying that.

good thing i dont care

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Wax

[dodgy56]

Dodgy wagon - VysePresident, Wax, kelbris,

wgeurts

,

MathBlade

, SilverWolf,

davesaz

There is one, possibly two, scum in those red names.

titus do you disagree with this?

No as I think BBT/Math are both scum.

doesnt that mean you agree with the statement as Math is one of the 3? and considering you have said your team is BBT/Math/flames yet could replace flames with Wguerts and have the same effect but less likely, that means 1, possibly 2 in those 3? im confused what BBT being scum has to do with the argument being made?

[dodgy56]

VOTE: Wax

umm why?

[Wax]

because he thinks doing that will make me think he isnt scum when it only does the opposite

[BlueBloodedToffee]

umm why?

I don't like their read reversal on me.

[dodgy56]

umm why?

I don't like their read reversal on me.

and that suddenly makes wax more scummy than wguerts how?