Newbie 1568: Cleveland Mafia - Game Over

[House]

So... House.

I forget the term for when a player constantly throws around his vote in order to get reactions, but that's exactly what you're doing right now. It may just be your mode of scumhunting, but I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Constantly voting and re-voting muddies the waters in an already dank-ass situation that doesn't need any further mystification.

I think that as an IC, you realize newbies might have a hard time keeping up with your relatively high volume of posts, and therefore you're playing it up even further to disguise any plausible scumminess... all while appearing extremely pro-town with all your questioning and accusing.

VOTE: House

If I'm wrong, please enlighten.

I like this post, while it's not a reliable tell at all I can understand the thought process

What's to like? The thought process is flawed, and the motivation can either come from town or scum.

[House]

VOTE: Jackal711

I don't buy the convenient scumread from an experienced player.

what dont you buy about it?

That's a pretty self-explanatory post.

well explain it to me like im 12... and explain why it makes jackal scum

Scumreading someone for claiming scum in RVS is silly. Town does it quite often, and Jake is experienced enough to know that.

Saying he doesn't want to lynch someone for it is meaningless, as it still casts doubt on you for no good reason.

[House]

VOTE: Jackal711

I don't buy the convenient scumread from an experienced player.

are you referring to his dodgy scumread?

Yes (as above).

[Netherspite]

Yeah you just made that figure up off the top of your head.

I haven't played a single game on ms where competent players continue posting fluff past the rvs stage. Your comment hyperbolic and blatantly wrong. In fact, I challenge to go through my ISO and find a single post that doesn't actively contribute towards my goal of finding scum.

Stop using playstyle as an excuse and learn to actually play the game.

Of course I didn't make exact measurements.
However, it will be close to that.
There are lots of explanation of abbreviations/terms, lots of useless fluff and lots of semi-useless fluff.
And if you'll represent all the three my quotes above as redunant fluff then you can do the same for around 80% of the content in ms games.

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Second, as you asked:

Claiming scum in rvs, while anti-town, is nuller than dividing by zero.

Captain Obvious style.

There could be more, but you came as a replacement so you had already some content to analyze and less "fluff-like" posts to post.

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And the third, my playstyle is not an excuse. It is my way to find scum.
You don't like it? That's not my problem.

[House]

I think I'm liking my current vote, although the reason why is evolving.

I'm liking Netherspite as town in this 1v1 slapfest.

[prawneater]

Prodge. Will make better post soon.

[Jackal711]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

I will hold my vote for now, but it most likely will be on one of those two.

[Netherspite]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

I will hold my vote for now, but it most likely will be on one of those two.

Personally I don't think it's TvS. I rather think fakespeare is a townie who is just playstyle clashing with me.

[BRickAstley]

Playstyle specifics that feature a person acting in ways that might be detrimental to town are still a valid target of questioning; someone should be well within their right to act/play a certain way as long as they allow that it's not impervious just because it's a personal choice/tendency.

While with the way you are posting it's harder to distinguish, I feel like fakespeare has been scumhunting more than playstyle attacking. Though this is true based only on the limited sample size available so far.

How exactly my playstyle is detrimental to town?
I believe the opposite.

When I posted that, I was not saying in the first paragraph that your playstyle was 100% detrimental to town. I was trying to respond to part of your previous post, because it felt at the time like you were saying that people shouldn't get onto you if they felt that what you were saying was scummy, merely because it was all part of your playstyle. And if you try and fall on the crutch of screaming "Playstyle!" every time comes against you, then it's not going to be good for the village, and I as one won't want to listen to you. And that's why I then posted "While with the way you are posting it's harder to distinguish", because I was starting to be more unsure that your style WAS actually something scummy.

This helps explain what you're doing better for me.

I am switching from gathering information to posting my analysis closer to the end of the day because disclosing anything earlier invalidates the point of questions.

I could maybe see this as a TvS situation, but I'm not really seeing fakesphere being scum either. I still feel a bit lost in the meta here.

[House]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

What's interesting about it?

[Jake from State Farm]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

I will hold my vote for now, but it most likely will be on one of those two.

Personally I don't think it's TvS. I rather think fakespeare is a townie who is just playstyle clashing with me.

So why engage in a back and forth with him? Why.not just ignore him and.move on?

[House]

So... House.

I forget the term for when a player constantly throws around his vote in order to get reactions, but that's exactly what you're doing right now. It may just be your mode of scumhunting, but I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Constantly voting and re-voting muddies the waters in an already dank-ass situation that doesn't need any further mystification.

I think that as an IC, you realize newbies might have a hard time keeping up with your relatively high volume of posts, and therefore you're playing it up even further to disguise any plausible scumminess... all while appearing extremely pro-town with all your questioning and accusing.

VOTE: House

If I'm wrong, please enlighten.

I like this post, while it's not a reliable tell at all I can understand the thought process

What's to like? The thought process is flawed, and the motivation can either come from town or scum.

@JFSF

[Jake from State Farm]

The thought process isn't flawed, to lots of people vote hopping is scummy, especially noobs, I know cause I used to get shit for it when I was a noob, then I used to scum read people for it later. To someone newer, what you did is scummy. To an experienced player, not so much

[House]

The thought process isn't flawed, to lots of people vote hopping is scummy, especially noobs, I know cause I used to get shit for it when I was a noob, then I used to scum read people for it later. To someone newer, what you did is scummy. To an experienced player, not so much

You realize you just described why his logic was flawed, right?

The fact he was wrong doesn't make it right. That's moonlogic.

[dodgy56]

VOTE: Jackal711

I don't buy the convenient scumread from an experienced player.

what dont you buy about it?

That's a pretty self-explanatory post.

well explain it to me like im 12... and explain why it makes jackal scum

Scumreading someone for claiming scum in RVS is silly. Town does it quite often, and Jake is experienced enough to know that.

Saying he doesn't want to lynch someone for it is meaningless, as it still casts doubt on you for no good reason.

so basically its one of the ideas that came up earlier? about doubtcasting and how scum can use it?

ok i can buy that. thank you for explaining

[Netherspite]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

I will hold my vote for now, but it most likely will be on one of those two.

Personally I don't think it's TvS. I rather think fakespeare is a townie who is just playstyle clashing with me.

So why engage in a back and forth with him? Why.not just ignore him and.move on?

1v1 after his attack helped me to lean towards TvT opinion.

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@dodge56

What are your current reads on

House

, me and

fakespeare

?

[Netherspite]

*dodgy, sorry for a typo.

[dodgy56]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

I will hold my vote for now, but it most likely will be on one of those two.

Personally I don't think it's TvS. I rather think fakespeare is a townie who is just playstyle clashing with me.

So why engage in a back and forth with him? Why.not just ignore him and.move on?

1v1 after his attack helped me to lean towards TvT opinion.

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@dodge56

What are your current reads on

House

, me and

fakespeare

?

house im null on
i think its likely you are town.
Fake im null on.- i tend to agree that it could be just playstyle clash (which to be honest is just null anyway), but i could also see fake being scum based on his recent interactions with you

[Jake from State Farm]

The thought process isn't flawed, to lots of people vote hopping is scummy, especially noobs, I know cause I used to get shit for it when I was a noob, then I used to scum read people for it later. To someone newer, what you did is scummy. To an experienced player, not so much

You realize you just described why his logic was flawed, right?

The fact he was wrong doesn't make it right. That's moonlogic.

But being wrong doesn't mean he's scum, so your logic is flawed. He's wrong yes, but him being wrong makes him more likely town, not scum

[Jake from State Farm]

And actually makes you scummier imo

[Jake from State Farm]

Scumreading someone for claiming scum in RVS is silly. Town does it quite often, and Jake is experienced enough to know that.

Not sure how I missed this one.

You can't just blanket say that, cause my experience and your experience could be different(and obviously is different). I don't think I've seen town claim scum in rvs before (I do remember tip saying he's scum but his role on says he's town but that wasn't in rvs and wasn't remotely similar to what happened here), but I know for a fact I've seen scum do it in rvs, actually I'm pretty sure I've seen it twice. My experience obviously is based off games I've played in.

[fakespeare]

Been hella busy on short notice lately, and something came up that will prevent me from posting substantially until Sunday afternoon. Apologies.

[House]

The thought process isn't flawed, to lots of people vote hopping is scummy, especially noobs, I know cause I used to get shit for it when I was a noob, then I used to scum read people for it later. To someone newer, what you did is scummy. To an experienced player, not so much

You realize you just described why his logic was flawed, right?

The fact he was wrong doesn't make it right. That's moonlogic.

But being wrong doesn't mean he's scum, so your logic is flawed. He's wrong yes, but him being wrong makes him more likely town, not scum

Depends on whether he's genuinely wrong or dissembling.

[House]

And actually makes you scummier imo

Welcome to my town game. Get used to it. I'm scummy as hell when I'm town.

[House]

Interesting analysis, House. fakespeare vs. Netherspite does read as town vs. scum to me but I'm not yet confident enough on my read of both to determine which is which.

I will hold my vote for now, but it most likely will be on one of those two.

Personally I don't think it's TvS. I rather think fakespeare is a townie who is just playstyle clashing with me.

So why engage in a back and forth with him? Why.not just ignore him and.move on?

1v1 after his attack helped me to lean towards TvT opinion.

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@dodge56

What are your current reads on

House

, me and

fakespeare

?

house im null on
i think its likely you are town.
Fake im null on.- i tend to agree that it could be just playstyle clash (which to be honest is just null anyway), but i could also see fake being scum based on his recent interactions with you

FYI: Scum loves giving null reads because it keeps their options open.

Work on shoring up reads you can be held accountable for.