Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Whatisswag]

Oh ho ho but Titus never mentioned that, Kaboose did, but wait I should thinking that Kaboose is scum in mentioning that, but wait hold on it's still valid, oh man my head is exploding.

The scum I saw in Kaboose's response was presenting all these various reasons why Swag may be fakeclaiming then diving at the least plausible one, that he just wants to out a mason, and then using a platitude "lynch all liars" to trumpet the crusade.

I believe lynching liars promotes good town play, which I've read quite a few times in the wiki page from this site.

I believe lynching scum promotes good town play

[Titus]

Oh ho ho but Titus never mentioned that, Kaboose did, but wait I should thinking that Kaboose is scum in mentioning that, but wait hold on it's still valid, oh man my head is exploding.

The scum I saw in Kaboose's response was presenting all these various reasons why Swag may be fakeclaiming then diving at the least plausible one, that he just wants to out a mason, and then using a platitude "lynch all liars" to trumpet the crusade.

I believe lynching liars promotes good town play, which I've read quite a few times in the wiki page from this site.

I believe lynching scum promotes good town play

Great so we're in agreement. Self vote please.

[Titus]

elle, join me on swag. We can sort Grib tomorrow. Once everyone's producing content or lurking, it will become much easier for me to sort Snowvon.

Oh, make no mistake - I'm absolutely with you that he needs to die.
But there's still info I want from today.

Great so I'll try to stay out of your way. I tend to fuck up any sort of gambit by being too literal.

[elleheathen]

elle, join me on swag. We can sort Grib tomorrow. Once everyone's producing content or lurking, it will become much easier for me to sort Snowvon.

Oh, make no mistake - I'm absolutely with you that he needs to die.
But there's still info I want from today.

Great so I'll try to stay out of your way. I tend to fuck up any sort of gambit by being too literal.

/headtilt

[elleheathen]

UNVOTE:

[Whatisswag]

I seriously dont understand why people are not voting Kaboose.

Case 1: I am mason, Kaboose is scum.

Case 2: I am scum, Kaboose is vt (or he would have claimed long ago).

Obviously it is better to try your chances at a possible vt instead of a possible mason.

[Green Crayons]

Because people think you are lying town.

You didn't answer my question.

[Whatisswag]

Btw,

@mod

Why is the deadline constant?

[Green Crayons]

lol, okay then.

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When does Mala's V/LA end so people will start voting her?

[Whatisswag]

@Swag:

why did Cheetory want to recruit Kaboose?

I refuse to answer.

[Whatisswag]

I think I should form a hydra with reinoe for faking a guilty as a vt.

[Whatisswag]

I decided to do it after seeing reinoe do it in some game.

[Whatisswag]

I decided to do it after seeing reinoe do it in some game.

Not ongoing game.

[Whatisswag]

Oh ho ho but Titus never mentioned that, Kaboose did, but wait I should thinking that Kaboose is scum in mentioning that, but wait hold on it's still valid, oh man my head is exploding.

The scum I saw in Kaboose's response was presenting all these various reasons why Swag may be fakeclaiming then diving at the least plausible one, that he just wants to out a mason, and then using a platitude "lynch all liars" to trumpet the crusade.

I believe lynching liars promotes good town play, which I've read quite a few times in the wiki page from this site.

I believe lynching scum promotes good town play

Great so we're in agreement. Self vote please.

Some comments about your game.

1) You need to learn that you are not a town-hunting god, or a scum-hunting god. Even I am not a god, I am a demigod.

2) You need to learn about behavioural scum/town hunting.

3) You need to learn about scum team analysis.

4) You need to play with me more.

5) You need to play with Kaboose more.

6) You need to be able to find out who has town in their best interests and who has scum in their best interests.

[Whatisswag]

It happens.

We could lynch outside of Kaboose and Whatisswag and see if the scumteam takes the possible bait.

No. I die, or Kaboose die. Of course I prefer the latter one. If neither is going to die, I will find a way to die.(How about requesting to get modkilled?)

[Whatisswag]

It happens.

We could lynch outside of Kaboose and Whatisswag and see if the scumteam takes the possible bait.

No. I die, or Kaboose die. Of course I prefer the latter one. If neither is going to die, I will find a way to die.(How about requesting to get modkilled?)

See? Such scum team.

[Whatisswag]

i mean, it's not even a mastermind move

1for1 scum for mason is really dumb on day 2

It is if he was boned. Might as well try to spin out of it. A 1 for 1 trade for scum is a hell of a lot better than 0 for 1.

Look, before you replaced in, I was literally the most town read dude.

[Heartless]

reinoe is not someone to take cues from, swag

[Whatisswag]

okay I

ROLECLAIM: Gladiator

I

Challenge: Kaboose

Not how gladiator works.

U know what, I am getting tired of this.

Roleclaim: Mason

I targetted Kaboose last night and Kaboose was scum.

This isn't worded correctly for one thing in my opinion as you probably would have said something like "I attempted to recruit Kaboose last night and it failed." would probably be more suitable. Also why did you wait so long to tell us this? Considering your posts since D2 started...

NJAC

- 7 - Kaboose,

Cheetory6

, Green Crayons, Lone Ranger, Grib, davesaz, Whatisswag - (L-0) (LYNCH!)

There's

at least

two scum there.

I disagree. I would think that the lurkers pile has more scum. usually in my town games, I get at least some number of scum reads. This game, I have none so far (surprisingly). Either someone is super good at being scum or the lurking people...

Elle claims there are scum on the wagon there, and you disagree with her... While I'm on it?

Why is Cheetory killed? Is it possible because elle is scum?

You again accuse Elle of being scum.

972 - In this post you reply to all my concerns on you with no problem or questions of concern towards me.

@dave:

Brain Edit: Wait, she said she wasn't recruited, which in this game is a VT claim. How is it town to claim VT right at the top of day 1? It just makes scum's job easier.

I'm not following what you are saying.

It is a VT claim to say you're not recruited. VT claims in a mason game narrow down the range of players who might be mason, and scum need to identify masons to eliminate them before LYLO (assuming the game gets that far). There is no good town motivation to claim, especially this early in the day.

There are scum reasons for doing it, in particular to fish for mason reactions like "how do you know anyone was recruited". Masons should keep their mouths shut BTW.

BS. Masons know not to say anything.

What I'm pointing out with it is that I think they would have recruited between:

Me. LR. GC. Grib. davesaz.

Since I wasn't, that leaves the other 4. And I'm pretty damn sure scum is in there.

I want scum to know I wasn't recruited. Because it increases the likelihood that they WERE.

And I get a warm feeling inside when I imagine them worrying about it, wondering when it'll come out, waiting, waiting.

No, just no. Stupid. You need a vote.

VOTE: elleheathen

You decide to vote Elle, and then unvote her in like the next post or close to it. Why were you on Elle if you already knew I was scum based on your claim?

@Swag, What really townie things did Elle do?

Your last series of posts look like scum catch up. People are talking about Elle scum, I'll throw in a vote bc her reads suck. Shit, wagon has resistance. Better unvote.

Your last post is ridiculous. No one points the finger at themselves.

Considering the fact you've allegedly read, what are your reads?


@Dave, My scumgame is much better than that. Ask Grib (aka Snowvon). I scumhunt by supposing people take optimal actions based on what they know. Elle's play is suboptimal for scum there and I was explaining that to Grib.

elle's towny behaviour would be mentioned later when I have time.

My second strongest town read died in the night.

So now it is this:
davesaz- confirm town, whoever is targetting dave screw off.
Heartless- towny, both parts of the hydra display town behaviour even though their playstyles can be different.
Green crayons- a little bit town, his walls and his slightly aggressive behaviour is town. But the fact that he switches his playstyle when LR targets him jumps out to me
Lone ranger- a little bit town, this is gut
Titus- a little bit town, this is gut
elle- null
Grib- null, I cannot read this guy even though I played with him before.
Mala- a little bit scum, partially because both the original dude and the replacement is lurking, partially because awesome did not really do much in terms of giving reads.
Kaboose- a little bit scum. He seem somewhat different when I played with him, in a scummy way.
I cannot remember any other people.

First time you mention me in D2 as "little bit scum" but you tried to recruit me last night and it failed... so i'm just a little bit scum because of that.. Cool.

I first read the role claim of his and just thought "He's trying really hard to get me lynched, but he just recently jumped on me, that claim doesn't make sense."

Then my next thought was "Oh he's simply scum trying to mislynch me!"

But then I thought "Nah, scum wouldn't do that because the real recruiting mason would just counterclaim him and he would be dead."

Then I was like "Oh crap he's trying to get someone to counterclaim so mafia will know another mason!"

Swag if you're somehow town, this was a shit move. Because it could force a counterclaim and if it doesn't you end up night killed anyways. Why the desperation? This is so anti-town. Nothing good can come from this claim you just made.

I believe in lynching liars. On top of that I wanted you lynched anyways because of how you ended D1.

VOTE: WhatisSwag

Kaboose shows too much caution to be town. I am just the opposite of him.

[Whatisswag]

I really dont know how much you people understand about caution is scum, reckless is town.

[Whatisswag]

reinoe is not someone to take cues from, swag

I dont care. Eventually forum mafia will be reckless mafia instead of the word walls that everyone is writing.

[Heartless]

lol

not on ms it won't.

[Whatisswag]

Actually I like doing this. Gets everyone to think about Kaboose.

[Whatisswag]

lol

not on ms it won't.

Okay... maybe not.

[Titus]

I seriously dont understand why people are not voting Kaboose.

Case 1: I am mason, Kaboose is scum.

Case 2: I am scum, Kaboose is vt (or he would have claimed long ago).

Obviously it is better to try your chances at a possible vt instead of a possible mason.

This literally is a scumclaim and details his scum motivation. He was mason fishing on someone he could not get mislynched.

You eliminated you being a VT which is how people are townreading you at all. You are trying to force facts a five year old knows are false. After a scum flip and 3 days pass, my reading skills are nearly unmatched.

You've also insulted me multiple times in a manner that suggests you know I am town, when your own posts suggest you should be scumreading me.

@Grib, If you're wanting to set up bait for scum, best not to outright announce itm