okay
so there are 3 top bws and I am going to lay out some of my thoughts here. these are mostly mollie's reads with a bit of ika's thoughts sprinkled in. mollie being moi.
first jackal since he provided the links I asked for to look at:
I iso-ed him in all of the games including his scum 1 and looked at the mod posts and skimmed the games and I can see how the avenue that I was pursuing is not applicable here which is his activity level correlates to his alignment cos was decently active in the games he linked to. I see where wis is getting his meta read from and I might draw the same conclusion except I now have 2 completed games where he was lurksack waste of space and in this game it genuinely looks like he is trying to sort things out and i still think that him questioning titus screams town, sure scum do it all of the time but it is usually done by experienced players. I also agree with titus that he is striking me as more newb hence why the awkwardness. I feel like the points muffin made on him cld easily apply to several players in this game so it kind of looks nitpicky to me so I obvsly will not support a wagon on him today and will oppose any flash lynch on him that tries to develope.
next is toon and this is where it gets interesting:
I have no baseline for toon's play but I hate the survivalistic vote on shos. I think the far case holds some merit and I hated the way he kept trying to tie wis to 2 different players w/o actually voting wis. I hate his active lurking. what I DO like about him is that he claimed unprompted and offered up a reads list unprompted. a reads list that really doesn't reflect that of a scumplayer it looks more like lost town trying to get a grip on the game. he isn't trying to stir up wifom. so meh, unsure.
the interesting part are the reasons some people are voting him. so far I have seen:
1.
his claim is negative utility.
when it isn't. a compulsive jk is NOT a negative utility since most jks will use their ability since it can either protect or block and I am not understanding why bulba doesn't understand this.
2.
his wagon is all town.
I read this and i was like wat. cos I don't see any real reason to townread arc and guille so far. the only all town wagon in a large I have seen on this site was in organic chemistry where I watched with a mixture of fascination, horror and awe as mastina was lynched on d1. it was the funniest yet most horrific thing I have ever seen and it is also my favourite moment in mafia (mastina might disagree) cos it was so
bad
but I was scum in that game and loved the result even tho watching its process was painful. I think I agree with klingon when she said that both wagons look like they have scum on it cos that is my impression.
<<< That moment might be more traumatic to me if I wasn't so filled with apathy and spite in regards to it. >>>
3. the rest are "oh he is scum" with not a lot of reasoning whatsoever. I get that every1 is a special snowflake in this game and some people want to rush into the nightphase but that is pretty lazy w/o reeeeally trying to sort the game out.
next is shos:
zarella and I have asked shos to quantify his thought progression and he keeps dodging it and tossing out very surface level reasoning.
there is no organic progression to his thoughts.
I have hated every single vote that he has made. unlike toon I DO have a baseline of shos play and he is NOT hitting the right notes here. he makes promises and then doesn't deliver. I find the hood's hard defense of him to be incredibly bizarre and with the quoted 70 posts in the hood with fin having 6 posts and bulba claiming 14 (at the time) who is doing all of the posting there. to me it reads that shos is spending more time in 1 aspect of the game while avoiding the rest, if he is placing all of his thoughts in the hood and not in the game thread. it is the this lack of transparent processing as to why I keep scumreading him. I feel like we have given him lots chances to make himself do so and he isn't; instead there is a reliance on his neighbours to defend him and they are making a better defense then shos himself when the simple solution is to address what zarella and I brought up and make himself clear and he is not even attempting to do so. I have been scum in a hood before and I know that you only have so much energy to expend cos being scum in a hood is exhausting.
what bothers me the most is that he just isn't trying to sort out his reads in any discernible way. I have if you have a super powah and you happen to be in a hood that you are measuring your steps. titus thinks he feels wrong and I agree; he really and truly does. the avoidance + the bad votes + plus the lack of read progression + opportunistic vote + the reliance on the hood to vouch for him lead me to incline towards that he is scum. I don't trust neighbourhoods in general anymore from a multitude of games and if he is being cleared for that then well the hood is privy to things I do not know. nor is any1 REALLY explaining as to why he is so town in the hood. like this is what i get from the hood; he is town and is a bad lynch for today. that is it. and there is nothing of shos in thread play to support that. I guess I am working from the position that every1 is special and that means there is an added responsibility of towning it up so that there is a clear trail to follow.
tl;dr: I get more of a town trail from toon than I do from shos.
so
VOTE: shos
I am still waiting for you to do something fantastic.
