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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:38 am

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Am I a retard? Let's see.

In post 1442, copper223 wrote:@Killa
No, lynching in the PR pool unless someone else claims is by far the best move.

In post 1445, copper223 wrote:Should I end the day?

In post 1449, copper223 wrote:
Maybe Aneninen is SK.


Oh, really?

According to the first quote my vote is logical. (By the way, if you were town, you wouldn't worry about my vote – accoding to your interaction you'd take BBT with you, since one of you two must be scum.) Also, my vote was not a hammer, I didn't end the Day.
The second quote is very scummy, especially since you wrote this in :
"@Heartless Vote me pls."
(Yet another thing which points towards a Copper/Heartless scumteam. The third one has to be the Tean-slot and I have a damn good reason for thinking so.)
But, the third one, I think that one was a slip. Maybe I'm SK?!!
SK?????
Soooooo, it seems that you
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that I'm not a Mafia becuase
you know who your partners are!!!


COPPER IS SCUM.


(And for your information: I'm not the SK.)
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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:39 am

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I've been re-reading and I don't see Vettrock fakeclaiming like that, he was the only one besides me who mentioned full trackers in his post and who considered a 3rd tracker outing, if it's a setup he earned the win 100 times more than BBT.

Most likely Vettrock dies tonight.

I think the SK should kill Mastin for me, you want to lynch scum buddy if you're trying to win and she is scum.

This leaves {Aneninen, Beast, Heartless, Killapenwen, Tean, Wickedjstr}

My best guess is Beast is the remaining scum there and Tean is the SK.

If these reads are accurate, good luck to scum and the SK, I totally did not enjoy being part of this town.
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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:40 am

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hammering before a Tean replacement is a scum claim
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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:43 am

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In post 1409, beastcharizard wrote:IIPHKTT

Cooper: Vengeful
BBT: Hide
Vettrock: 1-shot Tracker
Beast: VT
Mastin: VT
Heartless: VT
Anen: VT
Killa: VT
Wicked:
Tean:

This is where I am at. After the last two claims I might introduce a tin-foil hat theory for the scum team.

Town:
Anen
Mastin
Vettrock
Killa

Null:
Wicked
Tean

Scum:
Cooper
Heartless
BBT

Those are my reads. No this isn't my tin-foil hat scum team and one of the nulls is probably SK.


these reads makes sense w/ NEITHER the role claims NOR the gameplay

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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:45 am

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In post 1450, Aneninen wrote:Am I a retard? Let's see.

In post 1442, copper223 wrote:@Killa
No, lynching in the PR pool unless someone else claims is by far the best move.

In post 1445, copper223 wrote:Should I end the day?

In post 1449, copper223 wrote:
Maybe Aneninen is SK.


Oh, really?

According to the first quote my vote is logical. (By the way, if you were town, you wouldn't worry about my vote – accoding to your interaction you'd take BBT with you, since one of you two must be scum.) Also, my vote was not a hammer, I didn't end the Day.
The second quote is very scummy, especially since you wrote this in :
"@Heartless Vote me pls."
(Yet another thing which points towards a Copper/Heartless scumteam. The third one has to be the Tean-slot and I have a damn good reason for thinking so.)
But, the third one, I think that one was a slip. Maybe I'm SK?!!
SK?????
Soooooo, it seems that you
KNOW
that I'm not a Mafia becuase
you know who your partners are!!!


COPPER IS SCUM.


(And for your information: I'm not the SK.)


Yes dumbass, but after getting the massclaim we wanted (which I prompted and which is going to earn you 1 scum you ungraitful piece of shit, assuming you are town).

I asked Heartless to vote becuase he was the most recent non voter online, after BBT's taunting and your derp vote I went back and tried to figure out why scum BBT would be happy with the trade he knows is coming, but I think he is just relieved he didn't get immediately lynched as he should have for that vengeful + scum comment.

I think you could be SK because the scumteam is BBT centric and you don't make sense as a BBT partner, not because I know.
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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:47 am

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The alternative is your are shit, so I'm paying you a compliment here.
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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:47 am

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In post 1407, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 1335, copper223 wrote:BBT said he was going to go back into hiding after whining about nobody wanting to help him kill Aneninen


Did he say this in the PT yall share??

no, he said this in the thread. the thread you're apparently not reading.

In post 1405, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 1229, Heartless wrote:The meta arguments he's making aren't true, and baffling given our game histories. As Antihero already pointed out, beastcharizard never played in Open 573. However, he did play an open game with us quite recently: Open 576.1: The Enemy of My Enemy. Saying me doing most of the posting is a scum tell for us is ridiculous and doesn't stand up to the mildest application of logic. First of all, our posting distribution was fairly even in Open 573 and we weren't exactly playing to our scum metas in that game either. And in the game beast was in, Open 576.1, we were posting fairly evenly until Day 3, which I was doing almost all the posting. We were town in that game.



Lets just out this now. I was MonkeyMan in that game. You know, the one who roleblocked your kill. So I did read the game and I was part of it.

well that makes it even worse because now you have no excuse for pushing your whole "tth does all the talking as scum" bullshit.
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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:48 am

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In post 1452, Heartless wrote:hammering before a Tean replacement is a scum claim


Thanks, Heartless, you've just made a huge mistake. (Mind the context of that post!)

The Mafia Team are: Copper, Heartless and Tean. I'm explaining everything in my next post. Including the fact: why the massclaim was a terrible idea.
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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:49 am

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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:50 am

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lol the sad thing is this mofa is going to lose it at lylo no matter what.
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:51 am

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In post 1457, Aneninen wrote:why the massclaim was a terrible idea.

right... narrowing the lynchpool to 95% odds TERRIBLE IDEA

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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:54 am

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Thoughts on my VCA Heartless?
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:57 am

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you dropped anen from your scumlist for the sake of exaggerating your argument, which boils down to "there's scum on a mislynch wagon"

it's scummy
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:01 am

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I dropped Anen as a scum-read earlier than my VCA IIRC...
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:06 am

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ah so you did
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:08 am

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/shrug

you still just greened in whatever you claimed and made 3 names on the dave wagon red and said LOOK AT THIS NARRATIVE THAT TOTALLY COULD MAKE SENSE BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE

you start w/ the premise that you're telling the truth, which......

i don't believe
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:14 am

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[beast, bbt, tean] other one is in the blind spot [mastin/wicked/anen]
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i seriously hope it isn't mastin b/c tth is going to kill me...
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:27 am

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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:31 am

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Okay, everyone!
Here's the story.


(1) The Mafia
had known
the zone of the Setup (5–7 Ts, 3–4 Ts or 0–2 Ts)
before the game started
.

(2) On Day1 Copper fake-claimed. They must have made their plan after this fake-claim, at Night1. (I think it happened then, but they might have created it pre-game too.)

(3) On Day2, we saw that there were two kills. Since noone claimed a Vig-shot, it became clear that there's an SK. But,
by that point, the Mafia knew CLEARLY what the Setup really was!


(4) Soon it got clear that the Setup is either TTT or T (4 PRs or 6 PRs) – but, as I said, the Mafia knew which one of them! I was against the massclaim all the time, because I saw how beneficial it to the Mafia-team could be.
Let's stop here for a second. Originally, I thought the massclaim will result a WIFOM. If it's T and all the claims are real, all the Mafia must be amongst the VTs. But,
TTT is FIVE times more likely than T!
(TTT has a chance of 35/128, while T is only 7/128.)
Why is it a WIFOM? Because, if there are six claims, mathematically it's about 16.67% that all of the claims are real and about 83.33% that two of them are fake. Of course, after six claims what would have the town think? This: the Setup is T and all the scums are amongst the VT-claims, even if there's only a 16.67% chance for it. Ignoring the possibility of
having EXACTLY TWO fake-claims!


(5) Therefore,
the Mafia planned TWO fake-claims
(and the Setup is TTT). One of these is Copper. The other fake-claim should have been Tean – but, he's not here! (That has been the single error in their plan.) Had he claimed, the situation written in (4) would have occoured.
But, suddenly the town got stuck in a situation which is unpleasant for them: there are five claims, so, it's clear that one of them is fake! Is it Copper? Or BBT? What did the Mafia think?
"If the town lynched BBT, it would be bad for Copper... but, it's still better than a Copper-lynch which not only hurts us but also clears BBT. Unless... we prolong the Day until the Tean-slot gets filled and everything can go on according to the original plan."


(6)
So. Copper is scum and he fake-claimed.
The Tean-slot is the second scum.
(I wouldn't surprised if the replacement instantly claimed a PR.)
Heartless must be the third one
, mostly because of some interactive tells (pointed out by eg. BBT), also eg. the
"Heartless vote for me"
sentence from Copper (Copper's reasoning in about the topic is pigeon poop.) But, their post:
"hammering before a Tean replacement is a scum claim"
made that very likely. (Check out the context. NOONE was about to hammer Copper at that time. I also asked everyone about the possibilities of a Tean-PR-claim in and noone has f-cking answered!)
I must admit, I have no idea why Heartless didn't claim a PR. Maybe Tean is the Mafia JOAT and he needs to be protected...?

As for the SK, I have no idea. One thing is clear: the SK is among the VT-claims. It's most probably Beast (but as I said, I'll re-ISO him) or (less likely?) Mastin. If BBT's town, Penguin is town too. (And I've been townreading Penguin for a long time, regardless of BBT.) If Wicked is the SK, then simply f-ck off.
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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:40 am

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Also,
who kept saying that we should massclaim? Copper!
Who wanted to out other PRs after EyeStott's claim on Day1? Copper!

And yes, you know, I've already lost some LyLos because noone was listnening to me. However, I even won some games before LyLo when the town actually listented to me.

If it hadn't been to the absense of Tean, your plan would have worked... until LyLo (when I could have found it out and gotten lynched because noone would have believed me).
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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:47 am

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I'm not sure if copper is going full derp insisting on lynching a PR today, I mean he has just put himself in front of the lynchwagon. If he is town, his play today has been shit: he gives scum the last tracker and sacrifices himself..
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:57 am

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In post 1465, Heartless wrote:/shrug

you still just greened in whatever you claimed and made 3 names on the dave wagon red and said LOOK AT THIS NARRATIVE THAT TOTALLY COULD MAKE SENSE BUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE

you start w/ the premise that you're telling the truth, which......

i don't believe

Is that because you're scum?

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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:59 am

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no, it's because i have a bullshit meter that works p well
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:01 am

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I think it's broken.
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:02 am

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You can't BS a BS'er.

Me thinks you're scum. I mean, I like you and all but, I have to lynch you.

Right after Copper.
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