NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[dragonspawn]

Because until I see you flip scum there is always the possibility that you are just a pretty bad player.

there is also the possibility that the second slip was intentional in an attempt to make Random look town when you flipped scum.

only a fool doesn't consider all possibilities.

[The Dream Weaver]

VoteCount 3.3

Albert B. Rampage (1):

Dripping Goofball

d3x (4):

TellTaleHeart, I Am Innocent, Peacebringer, NakedJogger

dragonspawn (2):

TheDudeAbides, Nero Cain

Dripping Goofball (0):

Flubbernugget(0):

Garmr (1):

d3x

I Am Innocent (0):

Kthxbye (0):

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (6):

Garmr, dragonspawn, Albert B. Rampage, Flubbernugget, StrangerCoug, randomidget

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (1):

Kthxbye

StrangerCoug (0):

TellTaleHeart(0):

TheDudeAbides (0):

Not Voting

- No one.

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2015-02-19 14:00:00).

[FakedBlogger]

PB, are you pulling an NJ? Why are you voting with IAI?

[Nero Cain]

His flip would almost confirm Nero as town at that point.

What if one of Garmr/DS flips scum?

Like I think DS is scum and he's whining that that I figured out that how many scum are in the game. His Ika vote also felt like bussing. This makes me think scum are

DS/Flubber/SC

@NJ-What did I say that made you change your mind on Ika?

Still think there are much better lynches than d3x today though.

[StrangerCoug]

Wagons today so far suck guys. More PB, or Nero votes would be great.

We are not lynching Nero Cain and I will do everything within my power to protect that from happening.

Hey SC what happened to this read?

Wow this is a bad post as it shows strange cougar not paying attention to what's happening.

It's only 3 votes. 2 of those votes were me and ds. Me and ds discussed who we thought was scum and we both thought he was most likely scum.

I don't know about Abr through.

There only being three votes doesn't mean those three votes can't be piled on insanely fast. Quality, not quantity. The most your post says to me is that, if scum is voting Nero, I should be looking at ABR. So your post really doesn't do enough to discredit mine.

OK, the Nero Cain wagon sprung up

WAY

too quickly for my liking. At least one person voting him is scum. I'll tell you that right now.

Holding off voting until I actually look at the people on him.

And this?

This:

Why would I bus a buddy when

I could have easily gotten an RM mislynch?

Can anyone guess why I quoted this (hint, it's bolded).

DAT SLIP

Any questions about my change of mind based on this? I'm willing to talk.

[TellTaleHeart]

Nero, you're making too many assumptions.

[TellTaleHeart]

Any questions about my change of mind based on this? I'm willing to talk.

Yes, I have a question: what was the initial strong town read of Nero based on?

[TellTaleHeart]

The added bonus is that 2 of these points didn't exist Yesterday when you started accusing me of being 'disconnected'. What were your reasons then? You started off by implying that I never gave my reasons for suspecting Garmr. This is provable untrue.

Oh I don't deny that you gave reasons for suspecting Garmr. It's just that Garmr is very likely town and there are no good reasons for suspecting him.

[StrangerCoug]

Any questions about my change of mind based on this? I'm willing to talk.

Yes, I have a question: what was the initial strong town read of Nero based on?

How he was generating discussion, primarily.

[TellTaleHeart]

I don't buy it for a second.
VOTE: StrangerCoug

[Flubbernugget]

pre-emptive prodge

[TellTaleHeart]

Spoiler:

I have SC as Null.

SC starts with a TownRead on Nero. I find no fault in that.
He continues to TownRead him. I find no fault in that.
He defends his TownRead without dipping into a Chainsaw defense. I find no fault in that.
He Votes him after a second supposed ScumSlip. I find no fault in that.

p.edit-

@TT- You still haven't explained that.

I can do a write up later, but the short version:
{1}You lynched a town PR Day 1.
{2}You strawmanned Naked Jogger's case the next day.
{3}You pushed the counterwagon to scum.
{4}You're overconfident that you're not getting lynched because you seem to have everyone by the ears because you make long, ~pretty posts~.

1- Along with a heap of other players who had much weaker reasons to be there. I built a case and I stand behind it. He may have flipped Town, but that doesn't mean he wasn't scummy. To date, I don't think anyone has found fault in my pen case, just in my conclusions. I conceed that I led a misLynch. It happens.
2- I did no such thing, I completely ignored him. He started off Voting w/o a case. He made a circumstantial and hypocritical case on me and based off of our head butting D1, I felt that it would only clutter the thread if I engaged. I had him as a TownRead and had previously said that I was just going to ignore him. When he pointed out that I had missed a question he'd asked, I responded. He then went on to make assertions that were not true, so I continued ignoring him.
3- It would be pretty stupid to so actively and aggressively do that in my position were I Scum. Further, midget hasn't flipped yet. I already gave my thoughts on the chances that he's a ScumPR.
4- That's just poor reading. I believe that I

will

be misLynched Today. I'm fine with it and I'm putting down all of my pertinent thoughts so that they can be referred back to later if needs be.

re: my "long, ~pretty posts~"- Lol, what? Is there a point you're trying to make here? Or are you just taking shots because prefer to take my time and write in a polished manner? Look at any of my games. Show me that this is at all indicative of my alignment. Hint- it's not.

The added bonus is that 2 of these points didn't exist Yesterday when you started accusing me of being 'disconnected'. What were your reasons then? You started off by implying that I never gave my reasons for suspecting Garmr. This is provable untrue.

Finally- Are you refering to Garmr's Cop Crumb? Because I saw it and immendiately dismissed it. I've seen him FakeClaim too many times to believe any of him Claims that don't come without provocation. If he is a Cop with a Guilty on Nero, he should just come out with it. Until he does, I view it as just more AntiTown behavior.

There's an overall attitude in d3x's posting that I find scummy. It's really rigid and clenched and it's exemplified in the post above, though there are numerous examples in d3x's ISO. You can see the same thing in the killapenguin push

and

the current Garmr push. He insists that the

reasons

are all there, and they are in the most literal sense, but it hardly makes his cases ironclad like he seems to think. The closed-mindedness and the disconnectedness with what town should be in tune with suggests he's not trying to figure our alignments and the main purpose in making the cases is to shove through mislynches because he needs them to win.

[d3x]

That sounds like a great reason to leave the Wagon on me in favor of a solo Vote on SC...

[Nero Cain]

I'd vote SC! Like him, Flubber and ABR have been super useless this game.

[TellTaleHeart]

For Day 2, Nero seems to be a very strong town read:

Spoiler: The Foundation

Wagons today so far suck guys. More PB, or Nero votes would be great.

We are not lynching Nero Cain and I will do everything within my power to protect that from happening.

I have a hard time believing that's a thing Scumika would do. Unless something drastic changes, ika is Town.

he's going to do this regardless of alignment.

SC, why do you have/had a town read on me?

I see a town motivation for you to push for my reads in #687. You're a strong pusher in general.

If you don't vote Nero in your next post, I want a reason why.

Because I'll vote whoever the hell I want and I just don't see the Nero Cain wagon.

I still want DrippingGoofball dead but I understand the randomidget wagon better than I used to.

Not seeing Nero-scum still.

Spoiler: The reaction to Nero's first "scumslip"

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Ignoring his neighbors.

I feel like there's very little reason to suspect either D3X or TDA beyond "OMG I'M IN A HOOD. LETS BE UNRATIONALLY PARANOID!" Even if there were scum in TDA/dx there's still 3 scum outside of the hood.

*

Case on IAI is skeletal.

My case on IAI is much better than his case on me. If you had such an issue with my case on him why are you just now bringing it up?

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Lurker wagon votes are meh.

How is my thinking that Ika is lurking it out any different than you accusing DS and SC of active lurking?

how do you know there are four scum?

Where do you get that Nero Cain (supposedly) knows there are four scum?

I guess that 5 isn't an impossibility but I think there's kind a difference in a game that's mb with 2 sks. Being a mod what do you think of this SC?

I honestly think your number is the most likely to be right, but I generally don't bother with the numbers when they don't matter that much.

Spoiler: Still town reading Nero, even going so far as to call the wagon scummy. We're never treated to who exactly on the wagon is scummy, though.

OK, the Nero Cain wagon sprung up

WAY

too quickly for my liking. At least one person voting him is scum. I'll tell you that right now.

Holding off voting until I actually look at the people on him.

Wow this is a bad post as it shows strange cougar not paying attention to what's happening.

It's only 3 votes. 2 of those votes were me and ds. Me and ds discussed who we thought was scum and we both thought he was most likely scum.

I don't know about Abr through.

There only being three votes doesn't mean those three votes can't be piled on insanely fast. Quality, not quantity. The most your post says to me is that, if scum is voting Nero, I should be looking at ABR. So your post really doesn't do enough to discredit mine.

The level of whiteknighting is ridiculous and uncalled for given the circumstances anyway. Even ignoring that, SC absolutely swore up and down that Nero was town and the thing that apparently changes that is a "scum slip" that you have to tilt your head just right and squint to see.

That doesn't add up. The Nero town read never existed and the vote is ridiculously opportunistic.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'd vote SC! Like him, Flubber and ABR have been super useless this game.

Do it. dragonspawn is a terrible vote anyway.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd vote SC! Like him, Flubber and ABR have been super useless this game.

Yeah, that, and you have a COP GUILTY on ABR!

[StrangerCoug]

Explain how my town read on Nero never existed. Reads can change, even at the drop of a hat.

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz*

vote:SC

naw, DS having scum reads on both me and RM and then having a "hunch" that ika was scum is totes bunk me thinks.

Do you really think the ika wagon was all town?

[Nero Cain]

you have a COP GUILTY on ABR!

my bad, i forgot

vote:ABR

[TellTaleHeart]

Explain how my town read on Nero never existed. Reads can change, even at the drop of a hat.

Bullshit.

The only "hat" that dropped was the circumstantial, sketchy reason to conveniently join a quick wagon. If your mind was that dead set on Nero being town Post 1672 was unlikely to change your mind

that

quickly because there's ambiguity in the interpretation of the post. You could argue that it's a scum slip and that Nero

knows

randomidget is town or you could argue that Nero is simply making the statement from the mindset that randomidget is town by virtue of being the counterwagon to scum.

I could maybe believe it if it shook your read, but a complete reversal of your previous read in that short amount of time doesn't fit with the confidence level expressed in the previous town read. In other words, the Nero read never existed because you made it up. If I had to guess, it was for the purpose of whiteknighting someone who would likely draw fire, but that's a question best left for post game.

[Nero Cain]

Do you really think the ika wagon was all town?

if not who were the bussers?

[dragonspawn]

Do you really think the ika wagon was all town?

if not who were the bussers?

you at least.

[Nero Cain]

yeah, I herded a bunch of kittens onto my buddy whom had very little heat on him. That's not something I'd do as scum.

Also I'm town, and while you don't believe that I am town I am and therefore bussing is impossible so...who, if any, were bussing DS?

[The Dream Weaver]

bump