Mini #1647: Eine Kleine Nacht-Mord, Game Over

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Derangement

How dare you vote for a member of the Amaryllidaceae family! Shun! SHUN!

Oh gosh.
For a moment there, I thought this was an OMGUS, until I realised which onion had posted.

This is going to be an interesting game.

What were you gonna do if onion bubs omgus'd you?

VOTE: TTH

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Derangement

How dare you vote for a member of the Amaryllidaceae family! Shun! SHUN!

VOTE: onion

This farm ain't big enough for two vegetables!

*cue betrayal drama*

[GuyInFreezer]

I played with CES before?

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote GIF

His response to Equinox putting him in the group that has played with CES and calling him scum was to question him being in there. Not trying to actually question the validity of it but concerned with being a part of it.

Would also vote UT

Question validity... of what?

Also I wasn't concerned with it but rather surprised that I even had a finished game with such an ancient player.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also why UT

[GuyInFreezer]

Question validity... of what?

It seems odd to me that you acknowledge the existence of a list of players Equinox listed as having played with CES before by acting surprised that you were a part of it, and then ignored any merits or lack thereof. I could understand just ignoring it, but you indirectly mention it.

Also why UT

"Reaction testing" is a cop out to allow yourself to get away with scummy stuff.

Won't you be surprised when someone told you something that you weren't aware of? Flat out ignoring something that you weren't aware of is something I can not understand.
(On an unrelated note, I thought it was MoS who I played with in fortnight.)
Not every reaction test is not a cop out. L-1 reaction test is something people pulls time to time and when scums pull it off, they do it not to get away with free lynch but rather to wifom the "scum won't do it because it attracts too much attention".

I feel like you are pushing it because it was on your wagon that he put down a L-1 vote.
If as you described town - UT is not dumb enough to do it, what justifies that he's dumb as scum to do it?

Even though I say negative things like this, I don't think you're scum. Granted I've never seen your scumgame but I have seen you being biased like this as town. And my gut leans town anyway. I think you're reaching on UT.

(By the way I think UT is town too)

[GuyInFreezer]

"What bias, gif?"

Well if you look at llama's post I quoted
- "gif town would be smart enough to not show his surprise and ignore so he avoids useless suspicion but gif scum would be dumb enough to not do the same"
- "UT town would be smart enough to not lolvote someone to L-1 but UT scum would be dumb enough to do so."

These "town is smart scum is dumb" bias sounds like one coming from town.

Of course, I could be wrong and llama could be scum just grasping something hanging low to get out of l-1 from lol reason, but as I said I don't have his scum meta and I let my gut choose for me.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll be catching up tonight or tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

Spoiler: Quotestripping may hurt your eyes

I think if you were town, your reaction would be a "why are you coming to this conclusion" as opposed to "why am I in this list" or at least a mix of the two

Why ask for where the theory came from when it was stated in that very post? (It was obvious that Equi was saying that "people who are familiar with CES are most likely to kill him N0")

That's my reaction more than scum is dumb... its scum is more likely to be willfully ignorant/make suboptimal play that benefits scum if they think they can get away with it

So it's more of a gut?

can't help but notice that the main thrust of the argument we're hearing from Llama is "this play is suboptimal" not "you're about to lynch town"

It's not necessary to hear that when "you're about to lynch town" is already embedded in his posts.

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Can we not?

Putting me at L-1 and immediately trying to pawn off any accidental hammer on others (and I am town) which shows him willfully playing suboptimal as he knows better than that
The fact that he tried to shift blame makes the assumption that I would flip town as only blame would occur if I flipped town
Him oversimplifying my saying he is playing suboptimal in order to not respond to the points I am making
Requesting hammer without a claim
Requesting a hammer with two votes on the wagon being RVS votes and one other not have posted any content
He is calling people scum for unvoting to wait to hear more content from aforementioned people

This is too black-and-white imo.

Searching for a replacement for Futan.

Real First Blood

Nooo. Onion, why?
Why would you do something like this?

?

though I guess I'd like confirmation from GIF that he thinks the analysis is valid.

Null. It could be the case that someone who knew him would kill CES but it is also plausible case that the others randomly killed him. If I saw more merit in that line I would've shown at least bit more interest than "Wow I played with CES before?"

========This is the point where I'm seeing walls and will stop until tomorrow=======

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

Any progress in catching up?

Spoiler: Quotestripping may hurt your eyes

I think if you were town, your reaction would be a "why are you coming to this conclusion" as opposed to "why am I in this list" or at least a mix of the two

Why ask for where the theory came from when it was stated in that very post? (It was obvious that Equi was saying that "people who are familiar with CES are most likely to kill him N0")

That's my reaction more than scum is dumb... its scum is more likely to be willfully ignorant/make suboptimal play that benefits scum if they think they can get away with it

So it's more of a gut?

can't help but notice that the main thrust of the argument we're hearing from Llama is "this play is suboptimal" not "you're about to lynch town"

It's not necessary to hear that when "you're about to lynch town" is already embedded in his posts.

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Can we not?

Putting me at L-1 and immediately trying to pawn off any accidental hammer on others (and I am town) which shows him willfully playing suboptimal as he knows better than that
The fact that he tried to shift blame makes the assumption that I would flip town as only blame would occur if I flipped town
Him oversimplifying my saying he is playing suboptimal in order to not respond to the points I am making
Requesting hammer without a claim
Requesting a hammer with two votes on the wagon being RVS votes and one other not have posted any content
He is calling people scum for unvoting to wait to hear more content from aforementioned people

This is too black-and-white imo.

Searching for a replacement for Futan.

Real First Blood

Nooo. Onion, why?
Why would you do something like this?

?

though I guess I'd like confirmation from GIF that he thinks the analysis is valid.

Null. It could be the case that someone who knew him would kill CES but it is also plausible case that the others randomly killed him. If I saw more merit in that line I would've shown at least bit more interest than "Wow I played with CES before?"

========This is the point where I'm seeing walls and will stop until tomorrow=======

[GuyInFreezer]

PS AND HAY YOU GIF EXPLAIN YOUR UNVOTE RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN.

I just remembered that my vote was still on TTH.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also GIF, you quoted me in your cursed quotestripping but i don't understand what you are asking me. 

Me neither. Because I never quoted you.

[GuyInFreezer]

I bet everyone missed my 194.

[GuyInFreezer]

So I'm townreading everyone else other than
- prawnstar
- Futan/Marquis
- Onion Bulb

I'll give some time to think which to vote between these.

[GuyInFreezer]

I reeeeaaaaallllllyyyy don't think llama is scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Marquis

[GuyInFreezer]

now on to new things! GIF, if you REALLLLLYYYY don't think Llama is scum, i'd sure like to know why. how about some reasons for those votes while you are at it? you are hurting the town by not explaining yourself.

They are already in my posts surprisingly!

@GIF: Could you please clarify on whether or not you're now caught up on everything that came after Post 144?

If you are, I'd also like to ask why you chose not to elaborate on that as much as you did in your quote-stripping Post 194, if that's okay.

Thanks!

I'm caught up. I didn't quote strip the rest bc I got lazy.

[GuyInFreezer]

ah so WAYYYYY BAck here in 080

Maybe read a post right above that.

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean

we could lynch onion so we don't have to read his posts anymore?

Nah.
Who knows? His posts might tire out scums too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Still have a hard time believing town only reacts in a "I played with him?" statement than anything else.

You're having a hard time seeing it because that hypothetical town is based on you-town. I'm not LlamaFluff.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF, WHY DO YOU THINK LLAMA IS TOWN? please don't link me to your previous posts because they have proven to be useless and devoid of content. please instead write a paragraph or two about it right here right now, possibly with post numbers supporting your theory. build a case, show us why it is you believe what you believe.

If you really can't see why I townread him, then you'll have to be satisfied with "it's a gut read".

[GuyInFreezer]

full of negative things about llama, reasons why he looks scummy, and then you say

Never called them scummy. Just said they look bad.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dodging tonight. Will do stuff tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let me see if I can bring myself back to this game some time today or I'll replace out and save some angers.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's taking longer than expected. My apologies. While I finish reading I'll give you some quick first impressions.

After reaching page 6: Bubs, Derange, maybe Equinox and maybe UT look town. Llama could be scum mainly because of PoE, according to the list of potential willing-to-take-CES-out-of-the-picture players. I don't like the wagon that formed on onion. From that wagon I'd say the scummiest player is TTH.

More later...

Why arent we lynching this?

/hi

[GuyInFreezer]

Gunsmith and tracker seems redundant.

I didn't like LF before the claim, and I still don't like him post-claim.

VOTE: Llamafluff

I don't get the NJAC votes. snscompt1 should be the alt-lynch. He's active on other parts of the site. Makes me think he's purposefully avoiding posting here.

uh no?

Gunsmith and tracker are two different roles with two different purposes.
Gunsmith and follower maybe, but not gunsmith and tracker.

If sns replaced onion bubs and hes most likely town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also we have no reason to lynch claimed 1S tracker today.
By keeping him alive, if hes town he'll either get nightkilled or scum waste a valuable night action try to frame the one of the weakest investigative role. If hes scum he still wont be able to lie about it (attempting to refute this ill consider as a scumclaim. I have stuff in mind that I dont want to reveal until tomorrow and id rather not be poked and prodded about this until tomorrow.)

[GuyInFreezer]

And of course its obv that he uses his stuff tonight and report tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

I agree