Micro 444 molliegeddon [OVER]

[Thor665]

But that's still a scum win off 2 town mislynches, and scum could afford a missed night shot.
This is bad game design.

[Varsoon]

I'm leaning town on DGB mostly for the role, but also because of how play was handled. Didn't feel like scum trying to game shit, but I guess forcing a gladiate on anyone but Kaboose is weird, but eh? I dunno what to believe.
I feel like your slot is scum, thor. Konowa was absent and weird and dodgy and now it's getting Gladiated so eh.
If I have to choose between the two, it's you.

[Varsoon]

But that's still a scum win off 2 town mislynches, and scum could afford a missed night shot.
This is bad game design.

Which is why I feel like town's got some cray cray power, scum is handlocked on killing strength, or not everyone claimed is being 100% truthful.

[Thor665]

So even the limited shot scum concept doesn't make sense.
Unless the logic is lack of hated claim...but that's *good* town play when hated, so...

Either someone is lying, or Mod and reviewers are dork hats.

@Varsoon - How was Konowa "weird" and "dodgy"?

[Thor665]

Which is why I feel like town's got some cray cray power, scum is handlocked on killing strength, or not everyone claimed is being 100% truthful.

Scum could have a 1-shot kill and still manage a win off 2 mislynches. So it's not that.
I think it makes sense someone is lying, currently I am leaning Kaboose - what about you?

[Varsoon]

I'll just get into the flow when I get back home around 3ish and play catchup. Somehow.

Please don't be Scum DGB, that might break my heart.

I think I remember thinking DBG was Scum before I went to work?

Vote: DrippingGoofball

THIS IS WEIRD.

[Varsoon]

I'll just get into the flow when I get back home around 3ish and play catchup. Somehow.

Please don't be Scum DGB, that might break my heart.

I think I remember thinking DBG was Scum before I went to work?

Vote: DrippingGoofball

THIS IS WEIRD.

[Thor665]

How is any of that WEIRD?

[Varsoon]

It reeks of someone not really wanting to commit and settled on a DGB read without ever having to do any work for it.
Weird.

[Kaboose]

I can't express enough how I'm town hated who asked the mod about hated going away in XLo and was given a two letter response that has the same definition as "nah" but I am curious if I can even type that two letter word because it technically would be plagiarizing the Mod.... I don't think this mod likes me.

[Kaboose]

Which is why I feel like town's got some cray cray power, scum is handlocked on killing strength, or not everyone claimed is being 100% truthful.

Scum could have a 1-shot kill and still manage a win off 2 mislynches. So it's not that.
I think it makes sense someone is lying, currently I am leaning Kaboose - what about you?

Why would I lie about needing to be lynched. I was the only one in this game trying to advocate a lynch of me. Everyone else was fighting it. I KNEW I had to be dead today, and I know right now unless miracles exist on this website I've lost this game because town aren't winning.

[Thor665]

It reeks of someone not really wanting to commit and settled on a DGB read without ever having to do any work for it.
Weird.

Your understanding of Konowa is that usually on games he ends up replacing out of (or staying for that matter...) that he's usually quite engaged?
Because my expectation is rather the opposite.
Do you know something I don't that makes that look remotely weird?
Because, as far as i can tell, you're saying that a player who was talking about work and eventually replaced out was being lazy/unfocused - which seems the exact opposite of weird.
What am I missing here?

Why would I lie about needing to be lynched. I was the only one in this game trying to advocate a lynch of me. Everyone else was fighting it. I KNEW I had to be dead today, and I know right now unless miracles exist on this website I've lost this game because town aren't winning.

Don't worry, we'll just lynch you tomorrow.
Did you request to DGB that she should choose you as the gladiate target?

[Varsoon]

I don't think the replace out was weird, but the engagement/push on DGB sure was.

[Kaboose]

Actually I don't think I did.

I wouldn't have disagreed with that though.

My theory, now that you brought that up... And because I'm 95% sure DGB is scum...

I announced to town that I'm hated, and need to be lynched. In my opinion this was the best play because if we mislynch tonight, then I've got to go tomorrow for sure. So my plan was to avoid that, lynch me straight away now so that no one has to get to L-1 and claim. This way there's no good target for scum on N1, it's a shot in the dark for them. Also a mislynch on D1 means we're going straight to LyLo. There's a lot less info on D1, so let's get past it and to D2 so that you all can discuss a proper lynch on D2 and D3.

That was my plan for town. Well these idiots playing in this game just wouldn't have any of it. I think Varsoon was the only one with a brain among everyone to vote for me.

I think DGB claimed, and later gladiated, out of scum motivation. It also makes sense since they have dayspeak apparently that they picked out the person looking the most scummy thanks to a) lack of content, b) overall bad play c) wanted a replacement and made everything about them. Knowing if this gladiate works in their favour for a mislynch that it goes straight to LyLo.

It makes no sense to me that there would be so much resistance to getting rid of me in a 9 player game. There is no time for me to hang around.

I also find it rather convenient that DGB magically didn't wait for the claim to happen and just slapped it on there. Which is even scummier to me since we were waiting for a replacement at that time.

Why would a claimed Town Gladiator end up with such amazing confidence in his/her read on a player to gladiate without a claim when there's already a role in play that needs to be lynched, because if there's a mislynch for another townie tonight we go to LyLo. So if DGB's scum read on the Konowa/Thor slot is wrong we've got a foot in the grave.

[Varsoon]

If you're perma-hated as you claim, lynching anyone but you is silly unless we have a for-sure scum confirm.
On that note, the DGB gladiate is fucking miserable.
That said, I think I was pretty much the only one giving your claim/the need to cut the loss of liability seriously. I think, at best, others were trying to push for getting some more D1 info from wagons and pushes, but, eh, the Gladiate invalidates.

Which makes me conflicted, because independent of that shit, I'm town-reading DGB and scum-reading Thornowa.

So I really don't know what the fuck to do.
I'm worried we're in a shithole of a situation where Kaboose is perma-hated and DGB vs Thor is TvT.
Which, if we do have the suicidal D2, we're just fucked.
Like, serious, straight-faced, fucked.

[Kaboose]

Exactly, which is exactly why I tried talking everyone in to lynching me. A town gladiator like that had no reason to come out after I already claimed hated. he should have kept his mouth shut. He is scum, that's the only person who had anything to gain from outing himself after I did.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: DGB

Either he's scum or we lose.

[DrippingGoofball]

If you're perma-hated as you claim, lynching anyone but you is silly unless we have a for-sure scum confirm.
On that note, the DGB gladiate is fucking miserable.
That said, I think I was pretty much the only one giving your claim/the need to cut the loss of liability seriously. I think, at best, others were trying to push for getting some more D1 info from wagons and pushes, but, eh, the Gladiate invalidates.

Which makes me conflicted, because independent of that shit, I'm town-reading DGB and scum-reading Thornowa.

So I really don't know what the fuck to do.
I'm worried we're in a shithole of a situation where Kaboose is perma-hated and DGB vs Thor is TvT.
Which, if we do have the suicidal D2, we're just fucked.
Like, serious, straight-faced, fucked.

Erm, some of these players are probably lying??? Why are we making plans on information that surely contains lies?

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB vs Thor is TvT.

Varsoon you must be scum.

[Thor665]

I don't think the replace out was weird, but the engagement/push on DGB sure was.

I understand that you don't think the replace out is weird - I'm asking you how the push on DGB is weird in light of the replace out.
Make sense?

Actually I don't think I did.

I wouldn't have disagreed with that though.

Seems a logical move, frankly.

I also find it rather convenient that DGB magically didn't wait for the claim to happen and just slapped it on there. Which is even scummier to me since we were waiting for a replacement at that time.

DGB has claimed you as one of the primary pushers of her claim/gladiating.
So I really feel like either one of you has no sense of what is going on or one of you is lying.
What are your thoughts on that?

Why would a claimed Town Gladiator end up with such amazing confidence in his/her read on a player to gladiate without a claim when there's already a role in play that needs to be lynched, because if there's a mislynch for another townie tonight we go to LyLo. So if DGB's scum read on the Konowa/Thor slot is wrong we've got a foot in the grave.

Agreed, that is skeevy - though I'm not sure it's much more skeevy than you not requesting to be gladiated if you thought town needed to lynch you.
Mostly I'd like your thoughts on that middle response ^^^ about DGB claiming you pushed for the gladiate, and you saying she sprung out with it.

I'm too lazy to go back and read tonight, and have work tomorrow, but I do think reading that stretch should be illuminating now.

Erm, some of these players are probably lying??? Why are we making plans on information that surely contains lies?

Who do you think is lying?
Also, could I get your thoughts on Kaboose's description of the timeline and your gladiate please?

[Kaboose]

I NEVER asked or desired him to gladiate. That was a lie. Even DL has said that was false. I will find the post she said that. But check my ISO I never asked or pressured him to gladiate.

[Kaboose]

Thor, here is every post of mine that matters. If you want more check the ISO.

I actually DID volunteer to be gladiated at one point, I just forgot that I did. It was, of course, ignored.

I was actually called out for only asking to be lynched and not playing.

The last post has another spoiler which will show you two interactions between me and DGB right before he gladiated, and one between Lying Cat and DGB during and after the gladiation. That 917 is my complete reasoning for DGB being scum this game.

Spoiler:

VOTE: flubber

I think the only person who would have liked me to not told you what I just did was scum because it would make it easier for them to win if I was to make it farther in the game.

I don't really know why I voted, because I don't really want anyone lynched but myself. But I want it known out there who I voted for in case it comes down to needing that info.

Actually I hope everyone thinks it's a fakeclaim and that I'm scum, so good job flubber.

Hey so I really don't think we should wait to lynch me. The only advantage it has is potentially starting D2 with only 6 people to choose from instead of 7 if you lynch me today.

But then you're forcing a lynch even more and Day 2 will be essentially useless. Day 1 is already useless so lynching me today can help avoid forcing the town's hand the next day and allow us to start lynching the people who need to be lynched not the one that has to be lynched.

I haven't caught up with everything yet, but I saw some people trying to hold this off until D2, and I don't like that.

VOTE: Goofball

he asked for volunteers, so i volunteer because i still think i should be lynched today. not tomorrow.

I don't see how a lynch on you is better than a potential lynch on scum.
Walk me through this.

I just have a gut feeling it would be better for us.

Well, I mean if you could promise me that a lynch done today not on me is 100% scum. Then it's not better to lynch me. I just don't want an excuse to stay alive today turn in to another excuse tomorrow and before you know it our hands are tied with a lynch on me that's probably only delaying a loss.

I'm 27, I can has pornz?

p-edit - I have no other abilities, I would hate for us to vote someone to L-1 only for an untimely claim that only directs the NK in scum favour.

We lynch me now, no one has to claim that hasn't, scum don't get lucky with a claim that's attractive enough to NK, and maybe more powerful roles we have can operate correctly during the night and help us out.

Also I'm of the opinion that it makes no sense to say "We'll lynch him tomorrow let's get scum today herp derp!" because in all honestly we'll likely end up hitting a town member, then be forced to lynch me tomorrow instead of actually looking at people who should be lynched.

It's best to take me out now so the game can move on in D2 and actions not be forced upon the town.

I said it generally does Varsoon

that's a bad idea. let's lynch scum instead please

I'm scum! LYNCH ME PLEASE.

I swear this has to be the best play. Srsly.

VOTE: Kaboose

ETL please just lynch me. Seriously, I think it's clear I need to be lynched, I think it's clear that I should be lynched and in all honesty anyone pushing anyone else other than me is rolefishing.

You're not lynching scum D1.

This is what's going to happen. You're going to attempt to lynch someone else, they're going to get to L-1, they're going to claim a power that you're not going to want to take the chance of lynching, you're going to back off that person, you're going to run someone else up to L-1, they're going to do the exact same fucking thing.

All the while you should have lynched me 6 months ago to avoid all that bull shit.

You're going to mislynch a town person for no reason that most likely has a much better role than I do. Scum won't kill me on N1 because they'll know I'm dead on D2 because I'll HAVE to be lynched on D2.

All of a sudden D3 is going to start, there's going to be 5 of you, 2 are going to be scum, and they're going to probably lynch you for putting us in this spot to begin with.

Scum could win the game if I'm lynched today.

Scum WILL win the game if I'm not lynched today.

I'm inclined now to believe that the only people that don't want me lynched today are in fact scum.

So you can continue on being scum, or you can lynch me.

i sent a PM earlier to see what happens to the hated in lylo and mylo

im hated for as long as this game has me alove in it and probably even longer after it.

Please lynch me now.

I am starting to think Kaboose is a Jester.

Don't be stupid. I'm Town Hated. Lynch me today plz.

Srsly, I will flip eventually, and I want it known I'm scum reading ANYONE who does not want me lynched D1.

omg you're all idiots because i'm not lynched yet.

Nah, you're good because you're voting me like everyone else should.

Yeah what do I have to do to be lynched today?

UNVOTE: Kaboose
VOTE: Drunken Lies

Here. L-1. Claim. You all want to play this game like a bunch of dumbasses let's play it like a bunch of dumbasses. Get everyone to start claiming D-1 so scum have a nice salad bar of "Who the fuck should we kill tonight" right in front of them.

The chance of town winning by lynching me today is about 80% in my head.

The chance of town losing by lynching me tomorrow is about 20% in my head.

And make no mistake, we're not lynching scum today because we just won't. It's not happening. And then we'll be forced in to lynching me tomorrow. And with that, we have lost.

I like mastin, TSO and Flubber for town.

DGB is scum.

All gut from their posts. Although DGB is scum because this...

Spoiler:

like, confirming DGB's role is actually important here.

We're lynching who I want to lynch anyway. I can gladiate tomorrow instead. It saves a replacement.

Well hold on now. You've done nothing but make a fuss about this gladiate thing and now you're not fussed about it?

Like, isn't this your way to be an IC or something?

I kinda like the idea of threatening the scum to use it all day tomorrow, too.

Oh so you don't actually think we'll be lynching scum today with your vote on Konowa?

Oh and you assume you'll not be NKd tonight?

Oh and you assume you'll not be NKd tonight?

If I am conftown, I definitely will be.

Oh and you assume you'll not be NKd tonight?

If I am conftown, I definitely will be.

But you're not going to do your conftown thing. So how can you assume that?

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No. We wait for konowa's claim in case we can bust the setup. Then dgb glaciated today. Then we lynch. This is non negotiable.

No. We wait for konowa's claim in case we can bust the setup. Then dgb glaciated today. Then we lynch. This is non negotiable.

I am up for that.

Gladiate: Konowa

I thought you bozos wanted to wait for a claim from him before gladiating, but eh! Guess not.

You and Guy could be either or I'm not sure, but I personally don't like you this game.

Also if this mod is as infallible as you speak, why did you not jump on Lying Cat for saying the gladiate should wait in case we can bust the setup? If my not-being-lynched won't negatively effect town, how can this role-claim-and-gladiate negatively effect scum if it's balanced all hunky dory like?

[Kaboose]

Hmm, that boogered up a bit.

[Drunken Lies]

Varsoon your DGB vote is all kinds of wtf.

[Drunken Lies]

I'm leaning town on DGB mostly for the role, but also because of how play was handled. Didn't feel like scum trying to game shit, but I guess forcing a gladiate on anyone but Kaboose is weird, but eh? I dunno what to believe.
I feel like your slot is scum, thor. Konowa was absent and weird and dodgy and now it's getting Gladiated so eh.
If I have to choose between the two, it's you.

VOTE: DGB

Either he's scum or we lose.

Like, I don't get how you got from the first statement to the second in 3 posts.