New York 180 (Endgame)

[Shinobi]

@Kitz: I don't see any discrepancies with ABR's play.

Can you describe his town meta vs. his scum meta?

I would if I could.

The bottom line is that him posting one liners isn't really all that informative in terms of him being scum because I've seen him do it as town.

[Grib]

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

[SilverWolf]

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

What is your read of Pisskop and FA?

[Grib]

I was okay with pisskop at first. His dragonspawn vote felt weak. I don't really get the purpose of unvoting, and then continuing to pressure dragon. Overall feelings are meh, not someone I'd eagerly drive a lynch on but wouldn't cry if he got wagon'd.

For FA, I don't like how he implied scum were jumping on the TSO wagon and proceeded to question nobody on said wagon. There's a random defense of elusive, which...?? Why? And then he votes elusive? I'd vote this. But probably not because he likely doesn't already have a wagon on him and I doubt I could effectively start one.

fake edit: So apparently a votal hasn't been posted in a while. Does anyone know the state of the wagons?

[House]

House, it's right here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=58830

Stated by TSO regarding you, "Him keeping his options open should have been a scumtell but there were a lot of weird dynamics in this LyLo which made it kinda acceptable to do."

Also, what are your reads other then dragonspawn? Do you have any? What are your thoughts on all of the active players so far? Concrete thoughts such as lean town, lean scum or null. Not the wishy washy stuff.

It's d1. Anybody that doesn't have their options open know the answers.

As far as my reads, they're noted down elsewhere and will be shared when I'm good and ready.

[elusive]

Okies porcupine, let's try this a different way.

House, where is your vote right now and why? If you had to move your vote upon someone else who would you vote for and why?

[House]

Okies porcupine, let's try this a different way.

House, where is your vote right now and why? If you had to move your vote upon someone else who would you vote for and why?

You must already know the answer to the first question, if you've been paying any attention at all to the game.

As for who I'd like to see lynched today, I'd have to say

VOTE: ABR

The one-liners are meh, but my noted read on him is:

ABR

- Scum. I haven't really been noticing ABR, and his ISO is terribad. Naked votes, bad pushes, and posting just enough to avoid prodding.

[Kitz]

House, where is your vote right now and why?

You could always check the ISO...

ABR - Scum. I haven't really been noticing ABR, and his ISO is terribad. Naked votes, bad pushes, and posting just enough to avoid prodding.

I'm not the only one with that conclusion then.

@Kitz: I don't see any discrepancies with ABR's play.

fake edit: none of that is particularly atypical for town!ABR.

These don't share that opinion.

[elusive]

House, where is your vote right now and why?

You could always check the ISO...

From what I recall his last vote was vikingfan and he just moved it off the claimed cop, I wanted to see his reaction.

I do know about ISO although its a bit messy for people in multiple games.

[House]

House, where is your vote right now and why?

You could always check the ISO...

From what I recall his last vote was vikingfan and he just moved it off the claimed cop, I wanted to see his reaction.

I do know about ISO although its a bit messy for people in multiple games.

You clearly don't know about ISO. Those posts are restricted to the game you click the ISO link for.

It's next to the post number.

[elusive]

Kitz, what is you town vs. scum meta on ABR? If you had to switch votes, who would you be voting other than ABR and why?

House, yeah I didn't see that I was just clicking on player's names and viewing their posts. Thanks, that's useful and better then trying to search the posts. Yay, progress.

[SilverWolf]

I do know about ISO although its a bit messy for people in multiple games.

click the ISO link next the post number on someone's name you want to ISO and it will be only their posts in THIS game. Also, you can use the activity overview button at the lower right of the screen.

That said, ABR's ISO tells me next to nothing about him. I mean nothing. A big fat zero. I need to meta there or something cuz damn......................

[elusive]

Well my PC version of meta on ABR is, "Yells a lot and wants to quick kill people and randomly jumps from person to person and is kind of mean," but I don't know if that's in general or different based on alignments. It's been quieter in this game.

Activity Overview is a good tool to, all the people below 20 posts should be interrogated and stuff.

[elusive]

Oh yeah, Kitz if you had to vote someone other then ARB who would it be and why?

[Kitz]

Kitz, what is you town vs. scum meta on ABR?

I'm a bad player to ask when it comes to meta, because I have nooooo idea about any player's meta.

If you had to switch votes, who would you be voting other than ABR and why?

I have not voted on ABR and I'm not voting on anyone yet. Hypothetically if I did, who I would vote on other than ABR? Surprise : Cheetory6. Reason? When he was asked this question from Dragon about FA, he hinted subtly towards me (because I was "playing safe"?) in a fashion that it looked like he threw all others aside. The way I interpret the message is that I'm the second scummiest while he has no other scummy read. What about anyone else? Boon? ABR? Piss? E.T.C?
I may of course be misinterpretting the message, but it's the best I can make out of that post and it would be a good moment to post thoughts and scum reads, which he didn't.

Anyway, I'm going to officially vote on ABR now.
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Wake1]

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

[House]

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

I appreciate the clarification. Would have been nice if you would have confirmed the conversation I referred to on USMB.

[Wake1]

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

I appreciate the clarification. Would have been nice if you would have confirmed the conversation I referred to on USMB.

I've read less than 1/4 of the posts in this game so far, and have remembered even less. Got my radial artery nicked by a patient who violently scratches people, so last night I spent in the hospital being bandaged up and observed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR - Scum. I haven't really been noticing ABR, and his ISO is terribad. Naked votes, bad pushes, and posting just enough to avoid prodding.

You should read Day 1 of any of the games we've been in together. I have a slow start. I always expect to get killed N1, once that hurdle is past, I get more invested into the game.

[SilverWolf]

OK great, so we can assume no insane cop in this game.

Feel better Wake.

[Boonskiies]

ABR - Scum. I haven't really been noticing ABR, and his ISO is terribad. Naked votes, bad pushes, and posting just enough to avoid prodding.

You should read Day 1 of any of the games we've been in together. I have a slow start. I always expect to get killed N1, once that hurdle is past, I get more invested into the game.

Yet you want me lynched for the same reason. Interesting. Very very interesting.

[Cheetory6]

@Kitz

, I said I was on my way out the door in the post before, so I don't really understand how it's weird that I didn't drop an extensive reads list there. I also don't really see how I was being subtle either? Dragon was asking me who I was finding suspect and I gave an answer. Is that any different than what you're doing with me?
Why would you classify Piss's play thus far as being safe? I don't know if I see that from what I've seen of him this game.
Do you think Boon and ABR being weird is playing safe? Because I honestly think their play is usually the opposite of safe from what I've seen of them in this game and other games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yet you want me lynched for the same reason. Interesting. Very very interesting.

You go after low hanging fruit like dragon. Our play this game has nothing in common.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you think Boon and ABR being weird is playing safe? Because I honestly think their play is usually the opposite of safe from what I've seen of them in this game and other games.

What are you talking about? When have I ever been the type to talk a lot on Day 1, except if I'm extremely convinced of something?

[Cheetory6]

I don't think you post a lot, but I think your posting is generally abrasive/naked in an unsafe way.